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Joe Bagadonuts said:
I've personally met Japanese (and Germans) who say they were thankful for the American bombing campaign against their countries. They said there was no choice. I even know an American WWII bomber pilot and his German wife. He bombed her city multiple times. She calls him a hero.

I think that's a very different situation than terrorist attacks.
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BTW, I did not make this comment to diminish the Japanese or Germans in any way. I am in awe of their attitudes.

I hope and believe that the time will come that Americans make peace with their current enemies. Personally, I have no negative feelings toward Muslims in general, but I'm definitely not a fan of Muslim terrorists.
 
Stoked said:
There is a difference but as Dala said any anger would be certainly understandable. No matter how we went about it we still nuked them twice.
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Absolutely it would be understandable. That being said, you can't compare the two. Very different situations.
 
OK. So, pbs says we dropped leaflets. LA Times says we did not.

Who the flip knows what happened. ****ing Americans. lol.
 
Re: You guys talking about Ron Paul saying some positive things about Bernie the Bolshevik awhile back. He also happened to call him a scoundrel that purposely derailed the Audit the Fed bill that Paul was pushing for years that Bernie supposedly was for on his youtube channel. There's no love between those two. Paul's a nice guy that doesn't say many bad things about people. He definitely does not like the current GOP field though - no doubt about that.
 
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I know one thing about how Americans are viewed in Spain particularly. The Spanish population has always been very opposed to American's foreign interventionism in general. It's very unpopular, in fact I remember back in the days where many protests were held in the country to close out several American military bases in Spain. Most of them got closed and only a couple remain as far as I know (a naval base in Rota to control the Gibraltar straight) and another military base near Madrid. When it comes to Americans as individuals, I find it very interesting having heard comments like "he's American, but he's the good kind".

The older folks seem to like Americans better since they remember how the American troops would bring food into the destroyed villages from after the Spanish Civil War to feed the hungry. They even made a movie about it, "Bienvenido Mr. Marshall"
 
dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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Why would they look at you in any way? You're not American. Also, I'm not sure that's a good comparison. The terrorists that are killing are doing so in the name of their religion. Truman didn't press some red button, walk away and mutter, "'Murica bitches."
 
dalamon said:
The amount of Japanese civilian casualties during WWII would merit a very well-understood grudge across the entire nation-- but they interestingly don't roll like that. Speaks to their people. I can't tell you how floored I was. I expected the old people to look at me with disdain-- nope, they were probably the nicest ones. The same people who had brothers and parents killed from allied bombing attacks.

America is dead-set on scapegoating Muslims after a relatively paltry attack during 9/11, comparatively. Think about how long it would take for Americans to have normalized relations with Japan if they experienced the same extent of a bombing campaign.
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So they saw a brown(ish) person in a bomber jacket and a Palestinian(ish) scarf and didn't immediately think 'American!'........? What am I missing here?
 
NAOS said:
So they saw a brown(ish) person in a bomber jacket and a Palestinian(ish) scarf and didn't immediately think 'American!'........? What am I missing here?
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The fact that I did manage to make white American friends who shared my sentiments exactly.
 
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