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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

Siro said:
I don't like the EC, and I think it is a pointless system. But bigger states would still have more sway regardless. It is inherent in a democracy.
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Actually rather than a state having more sway it would be the individuals in the each state that would have more sway.

For instance let's say that currently california votes democrat. The whole vote goes to the democratic candidate. Even if the vote within the state was very very close (49% republican and 51% democrat)
So that has a ton of sway.

If it was popular vote instead of EC then it wouldn't hold near as much sway because the republican candidate would get all those votes now that didn't count at all under the EC
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I have a hard time believing that this country lags behind others in innovation, though it doesn't surprise me that someone could come up with a way of measuring it that doesn't put the United States on top.
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I mean, yeah, if you believe that the US is the greatest country in the world by a mile, you'd have trouble believing anyone would vote Sanders. If you believe that the current system isn't working out for you as well as it is for some other people, you might see things differently.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
It is just bizarre to me that so many people are excited about electing a socialist. Bernie strikes me as a good and honest man, but I strongly disagree with his politics. There is a reason this country leads the world in innovation, and has for generations, and it is free enterprise. I never dreamed that Americans would willingly turn socialist.
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He's not a SOCIALIST! But he does want to implement some socialistic programs. There is a BIG difference. That's why he calls himself a democratic socialist, someone who wants to use government through a democratic process that will protect the interests of the people from the greed and corruption of the corporations and banks, whose lack of government oversight has ruined our economy.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The US has not been dragged to the right. It has never been on the left. It's only recently that people seem interested in going there. There has never been a serious candidate for the president who is as far left as BS.

I have a hard time believing that this country lags behind others in innovation, though it doesn't surprise me that someone could come up with a way of measuring it that doesn't put the United States on top.
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If Nixon were alive today, he'd be considered a moderate liberal ... yes, we've been dragged far to the right. Read Hedrick Smith's book, Who Stole the American Dream, which documents this in fine detail.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
If it was made up it wasn't me who did it. Thanks for pointing out another reason, though. I'm going to research this. Either way, it seems unfair that we are using a system where the vast majority of votes don't actually matter.
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I promise you whoever told you that pulled it out of their ***. The Constitution gave state legislatures the authority to decide how electors were selected. Most states chose not to have a popular vote and selected the electors themselves. They were more than capable of holding a popular vote as they held popular votes to elect members of the state legislature and sometimes the governor(in some states,maybe most?, the governor was appointed by the legislature).
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
If it was made up it wasn't me who did it. Thanks for pointing out another reason, though. I'm going to research this. Either way, it seems unfair that we are using a system where the vast majority of votes don't actually matter.
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I promise you whoever told you that pulled it out of their ***. The Constitution gave state legislatures the authority to decide how electors were selected. Most states chose not to have a popular vote and selected the electors themselves. They were more than capable of holding a popular vote as they held popular votes to elect members of the state legislature and sometimes the governor(in some states,maybe most?, the governor was appointed by the legislature).
 
candrew said:
You may find this hard to believe but there was a time when the US didn't lead the world in military spending. In the mid to late 1930's Germany's military expenditures in relation to GDP was the largest in the world and about 5 times that of The United States, so yeah it makes sense that they had better weapons and a better trained weapons development staff than everyone else.
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Which only serves my point-- but we can ignore military.

Let's look at chemistry, whether organic, quantum, inorganic, whatever. The foundation of modern chemistry was 100% spearheaded by the Germans, minus the random Russian or American like Mendeleev or Pauling.


This whole narrative of America's unquestioned superiority in everything is straight insanity-- especially when it's used to support an argument saying America shouldn't take hints from other countries; especially when full knowing that America's very constitution is a hodgepodge of principles adopted from, guess what, other countries!
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The US has not been dragged to the right. It has never been on the left. It's only recently that people seem interested in going there. There has never been a serious candidate for the president who is as far left as BS.

I have a hard time believing that this country lags behind others in innovation, though it doesn't surprise me that someone could come up with a way of measuring it that doesn't put the United States on top.
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Oh dog. This is the saltiest post ever.


Do everyone a favour and provide a robust metric to show innovation rate across nations & why America ranks first.
 
dalamon said:
Oh dog. This is the saltiest post ever.


Do everyone a favour and provide a robust metric to show innovation rate across nations & why America ranks first.
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Why? Because he disagrees? If so then you are as salty as he is.
 
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