Sandy Hook shooting.. WTF?!

[Former Member]

I wouldn't ever give the conspiracy mindset this much credit.

I did a quick check on Whiskey's charity stuff and quickly found godlikeproductions feasting on it quicker than rice on white, **** on stink. Then I found a post on the FB page about deleting certain posts and how disrespectful the accusatory questioning was. Pretty easy for me to piece together what had happened.

GLP is a popular conspiracy website. I bet you money this photo collage comes from them. These folks see everything as wrinkles in the matrix. To them, this was a conspiracy before it happened. That's how the mindset operates.

Interesting, I didn't know about godlikeproductions. Rep'd

 

[Hotdog]

What I think is the real issue is that there are so many people who refuse to believe that bad people can organize, plan, and execute, just like any other organization on this planet. It happens everyday. Yet, for some reason, ant-conspirators don't believe it exists until someone is caught, and the details are made public. Then its a complete shock to them that this happened and then it becomes an isolated incident, and in their minds, the first time anything like it has ever happened.

The problem with these people is also not even knowing the definition of conspiracy. Half of all crimes written about could fall under the definition of conspiracy, but to the ant-conspiracy crowd, the word or its definition doesnt even exist. Frankly, Im surprised that there has been a petition to remove the word from the dictionary. Its negative connotation it carries now rivals the N word. Which is sad, because all that does it provide the fertile ground for real conspiracies to thrive.

I always thought we were supposed to keep a close eye on the government. I thought there was pretty big reason why we have checks and balances. Not just for ****s and giggles, but because the threat is real. I thought this was America god damn it. What the **** happened? When did we become a nation of push overs who will turn their heads for a few bucks and a false sense of security? Is tv really doing that much damage?

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Is tv really doing that much damage?

No.
The Federal Reserve is providing an impossibly unsustainable high quality of living for most Americans.
Once that bubble has completely burst, and the entitlement programs stop sending the checks, you might see a nation rise up.
Until then..... look forward to a people that are complacent with financial slavery.

 

[Gameface]

Im outraged.

Over the top conspiracies theories such as this, give legitimate conspiracies theories a bad name.


You can deny all the conspiracies you want, but the JFK one is no doubt, some kind of event that is bigger than what you are told. That one is too easy.

C'mon, seriously? The guy who kills the president is immediately killed by someone else? What more do you need?

This is exactly what I get a kick out of. I call it the "by virtue of not knowing what happened we know exactly what happened" phenomena.

Personally I need a lot more, like specific evidence. Not just the dance of shadows.

 

[Gameface]

What I think is the real issue is that there are so many people who refuse to believe that bad people can organize, plan, and execute, just like any other organization on this planet. It happens everyday. Yet, for some reason, ant-conspirators don't believe it exists until someone is caught, and the details are made public. Then its a complete shock to them that this happened and then it becomes an isolated incident, and in their minds, the first time anything like it has ever happened.

The problem with these people is also not even knowing the definition of conspiracy. Half of all crimes written about could fall under the definition of conspiracy, but to the ant-conspiracy crowd, the word or its definition doesnt even exist. Frankly, Im surprised that there has been a petition to remove the word from the dictionary. Its negative connotation it carries now rivals the N word. Which is sad, because all that does it provide the fertile ground for real conspiracies to thrive.

I always thought we were supposed to keep a close eye on the government. I thought there was pretty big reason why we have checks and balances. Not just for ****s and giggles, but because the threat is real. I thought this was America god damn it. What the **** happened? When did we become a nation of push overs who will turn their heads for a few bucks and a false sense of security? Is tv really doing that much damage?

Yes, this is called having proof. That's what I want before I agree that I know something is true.

Speculation is one thing, suspicion too. But what conspiracy theory enthusiasts do is not express suspicion, they claim to know the unknowable. That's where I bid them best of luck and back away slowly.

 

[Gameface]

So again, what is this dress supposed to prove again? What's the elaborate plot that we can gleam from the wearing of a mass-produced dress?

 

[franklin]

What I find humorous is the idea that people are catching some massive super-complex overlord organization that can successfully kill Kennedy, pull off 9-11, fake a moon landing, fake Sandy Hook, and on and on and on, but is exposed to those who don't have the wool pulled over their eyes due to a little girl wearing some Wal-Mart dress.

You caught them red handed, because there is nothing that dress could mean but that this is all part of some elaborate master plan. It's always the little things I guess. And in the case of those who killed Kennedy, faked the Moon landing, pulled off 9-11 and staged Sandy Hook, it comes down to magic bullets, low dust retro-rockets, starched flags, the footprint of collapsed buildings and little girl's mass-produced dresses. How did these fools ever think they were going to secretly control the world?

I was into the 9-11 stuff when I first started working for the government. The topic came up one day and I rattled off some tower 7 hitpoint or something. This guy chuckled a little and said (paraphrased) "Well, I've worked in government long enough to know that it's too inept to pull something like this off without anything leaking. Too many ordinary people would have to be involved and somehow silenced".

Im outraged.

Over the top conspiracies theories such as this, give legitimate conspiracies theories a bad name.

Not at all. The problem is legitimate "conspiracies", which are normally a complete misuse of the term, give a certain mindset crowd false lifeblood that feeds their world view. MK Ultra, Iran Contra, cloud seeding "chemtrails", all government [non-conspiracy] programs. Congress conspires with industry by definition (I hate ethanol-Cargill dig). When you take these and use them to validate your other speculative theories that fly in the face of science & evidence then you're taking healthy skepticism and using it in a destructive way.
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With that said, I fully expect an Illuminati-like organisation in one fashion or another. It's human nature. Their continual self destruction is also human nature.

 

[Hotdog]

This is exactly what I get a kick out of. I call it the "by virtue of not knowing what happened we know exactly what happened" phenomena.

Personally I need a lot more, like specific evidence. Not just the dance of shadows.

Yes, this is called having proof. That's what I want before I agree that I know something is true.

Speculation is one thing, suspicion too. But what conspiracy theory enthusiasts do is not express suspicion, they claim to know the unknowable. That's where I bid them best of luck and back away slowly.

No.

Its called not being a gullible dumb *** who thinks everything is merry in the world, and is easily fooled by any deception thrown at you.

Some people can spot a lie and some cant. Some people dont fall for stupid ****, and some people do. There is reason why the words sucker, gullible, and fool were thought up. Its because man has been conning man since day one.

So the question is...

Do you get fooled easily? Do you often find yourself getting ripped off?

 

[Gameface]

No.

Its called not being a gullible dumb *** who thinks everything is merry in the world, and is easily fooled by any deception thrown at you.

Some people can spot a lie and some cant. Some people dont fall for stupid ****, and some people do. There is reason why the words sucker, gullible, and fool were thought up. Its because man has been conning man since day one.

So the question is...

Do you get fooled easily? Do you often find yourself getting ripped off?

Okay, you win Hack. I'm a dumb *** because I don't think 9-11 was an inside job and I can't say I know for sure who killed Kennedy. I also don't understand the significance of the little girl's dress. Let me ask a third time: What conclusion can we draw from the photos in the OP? I truly am too stupid to figure this out.

 

[Former Member]

No.

Its called not being a gullible dumb *** who thinks everything is merry in the world, and is easily fooled by any deception thrown at you.

Some people can spot a lie and some cant. Some people dont fall for stupid ****, and some people do. There is reason why the words sucker, gullible, and fool were thought up. Its because man has been conning man since day one.

So the question is...

Do you get fooled easily? Do you often find yourself getting ripped off?

I'm unsure at what your claims are in this thread, but I would like you to flesh out your ideas with real examples. So, I would like you to answer a few questions for me if possible. 1) Do you believe there is a conspiracy involving the Sandy Hook shooting? If yes, what is the purpose/ultimate goal of the conspiracy? Also, what is an example of a large conspiracy theory which you believe to be valid? (I'm not talking about a group of swindlers trying to scam an old lady - I'm talking something that the government is involved in).

Thanks in advance for the response.

 

[Hotdog]

I'm unsure at what your claims are in this thread, but I would like you to flesh out your ideas with real examples. So, I would like you to answer a few questions for me if possible. 1) Do you believe there is a conspiracy involving the Sandy Hook shooting? If yes, what is the purpose/ultimate goal of the conspiracy? Also, what is an example of a large conspiracy theory which you believe to be valid? (I'm not talking about a group of swindlers trying to scam an old lady - I'm talking something that the government is involved in).

Thanks in advance for the response.

Okay, you win Hack. I'm a dumb *** because I don't think 9-11 was an inside job and I can't say I know for sure who killed Kennedy. I also don't understand the significance of the little girl's dress. Let me ask a third time: What conclusion can we draw from the photos in the OP? I truly am too stupid to figure this out.

Im outraged.

Over the top conspiracies theories such as this, give legitimate conspiracies theories a bad name.


You can deny all the conspiracies you want, but the JFK one is no doubt, some kind of event that is bigger than what you are told. That one is too easy.

C'mon, seriously? The guy who kills the president is immediately killed by someone else? What more do you need?

What?

Here is what I said. About the this girls dress theory. conspiracy.

I said it was stupid. ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ up there in the quote by me.


See how you guys only see what you want to see instead of the truth.


Bahahahaha.

 

[Hotdog]

John F Kennedy would have been a conspiracy theorist by your standards and definitions, making him a tin foil hat wearing nut job. He spoke of secret societies and ruthless conspiracies to the public. Then lo and behold he is assassinated, then the guy who kills him is killed.

Just sayin

 

[Gameface]

What?

Here is what I said. About the this girls dress theory. conspiracy.

I said it was stupid. ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ up there in the quote by me.


See how you guys only see what you want to see instead of the truth.


Bahahahaha.

The question about the OP was basically to anyone. No one has said what it means or why it matters.

 

[Former Member]

What?

Here is what I said. About the this girls dress theory. conspiracy.

I said it was stupid. ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ up there in the quote by me.


See how you guys only see what you want to see instead of the truth.


Bahahahaha.

I forgot about your earlier post, sorry.

 

[Gameface]

John F Kennedy would have been a conspiracy theorist by your standards and definitions, making him a tin foil hat wearing nut job. He spoke of secret societies and ruthless conspiracies to the public. Then lo and behold he is assassinated, then the guy who kills him is killed.

Just sayin

Problem is that all your really saying is that what we've been told is not true. Sure, it's suspicious. But there are a lot of people who didn't like Kennedy. So which group that didn't like him had him killed? Or are they all part of the same secret society?

 

[Former Member]

The question about the OP was basically to anyone. No one has said what it means or why it matters.

I'm assuming that the conspiracy theory is that Emilie Parker is not dead because she is shown in a picture with Obama. (Never mind the fact that it is pretty obviously her sister). If she isn't dead, then the entire massacre is fabricated. Why would the government fake a massacre? So that they can get the population to allow stricter gun contol...

 

[Gameface]

I'm assuming that the conspiracy theory is that Emilie Parker is not dead because she is shown in a picture with Obama. (Never mind the fact that it is pretty obviously her sister). If she isn't dead, then the entire massacre is fabricated. Why would the government fake a massacre? So that they can get the population to allow stricter gun contol...

Sure, but the problem I see is that on the one hand they want stricter gun control (I'm playing along here) but on the other, if their conspiracy is exposed they lose everything. That's the problems with conspiracy theories like this. The risk is huge. Exposure is death. So if the goal is modest, like incrementally stricter gun laws, it's hard to swallow that "they" would put their necks on the line by faking something like this. Imagine what the public reaction would be if there was a single shred of proof this was fake. So for every huge event that is conspired they are betting everything on keeping it secret. Yet folks like Hack figure them out every time. And the motivation, that which they gain always seems like not enough to take the chance. That's my view, anyway.

I know Hack has made statements in other threads that things like 9-11 can be staged by a very small group of people who are in the know, but I'm not convinced that's true. Just one person in the know who doesn't feel like they're being done right by their fellow conspirators can bring the whole ****ing house down. So as soon as the benefit to expose the conspiracy becomes greater than the benefit to keep it secret, my basic understanding of human behavior leads me to believe someone would talk.

But here comes the contradiction (as I imagine it from what I assume the conspiracy "enthusiasts" must think), they are able to maintain silence and loyalty because they are super powerful and have far reaching influence. Yet, to keep their plots secret they would need to be a small group of people with very very very similar interests and all hope to gain a lot by pulling off these massive hoaxes. So which is it? Are these massive organizations that can pluck a man from existence the second he thinks of betraying them, or is it a small group of like minded people who stand to gain enough to make such bold and risky undertakings worth while?

 

[Former Member]

Sure, but the problem I see is that on the one hand they want stricter gun control (I'm playing along here) but on the other, if their conspiracy is exposed they lose everything. That's the problems with conspiracy theories like this. The risk is huge. Exposure is death. So if the goal is modest, like incrementally stricter gun laws, it's hard to swallow that "they" would put their necks on the line by faking something like this. Imagine what the public reaction would be if there was a single shred of proof this was fake. So for every huge event that is conspired they are betting everything on keeping it secret. Yet folks like Hack figure them out every time. And the motivation, that which they gain always seems like not enough to take the chance. That's my view, anyway.

I know Hack has made statements in other threads that things like 9-11 can be staged by a very small group of people who are in the know, but I'm not convinced that's true. Just one person in the know who doesn't feel like they're being done right by their fellow conspirators can bring the whole ****ing house down. So as soon as the benefit to expose the conspiracy becomes greater than the benefit to keep it secret, my basic understanding of human behavior leads me to believe someone would talk.

But here comes the contradiction (as I imagine it from what I assume the conspiracy "enthusiasts" must think), they are able to maintain silence and loyalty because they are super powerful and have far reaching influence. Yet, to keep their plots secret they would need to be a small group of people with very very very similar interests and all hope to gain a lot by pulling off these massive hoaxes. So which is it? Are these massive organizations that can pluck a man from existence the second he thinks of betraying them, or is it a small group of like minded people who stand to gain enough to make such bold and risky undertakings worth while?

I agree with you, great post. Good job exposing the ridiculousness of these giant conspiracies. Ockham's razor comes to mind, the simplest solution tends to be the correct one.

 

[Hotdog]

I agree with you, great post. Good job exposing the ridiculousness of these giant conspiracies. Ockham's razor comes to mind, the simplest solution tends to be the correct one.

Or the easiest.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I find this entire thread in entirely bad taste.