Screw it, a trade thread, with my poll...no, not that pole

[Park Bites]

How does this trade get rid of Harris or Watson?

 

[freakazoid]

I'd be surprised if there isn't a sizable list of suitors at MLE or more.

Agree.

Also, if AK goes to NJ, you can bet he will be making a lot more than his official NBA salary. There is really no way the NBA could police an under-the-table deal in Russia from Prokhorov. Maybe AK will end up with a Russian car dealership when he retires.

 

[franklin]

I'm sure I'm misreading what you wrote, so skip this if I'm being a dumb dick, dick.

One thing I'm not fully sure on is whether a team can receive the signing exceptions once they get near the cap.

Signing exceptions?

A team doesn't have the MLE and Bi-annual exception if they're over the cap.

No, that's why they're called exceptions.

If it brushes the cap during the signing period, I don't think they get the MLE at that point.

As I understand it, teams under the cap must renounce all exceptions (including TPEs) before signing FAs.

So to do this deal, Milwaukee would have to get under the cap by renouncing or letting their free agents sign elsewhere, and then they'd have no money to sign anyone. They would only be able to sign players to minimum deals. I don't think they would do that to get Al Jefferson.

If their goal was to turn Bogut into Monta Ellis and Jefferson then mission accomplished. I don't understand this equal value balance sheet consideration without accounting for the big picture. Sure they're in a new position pos-trade, but why not pull the view back to the start when evaluating?

 

[The Midnight]

Agree.

Also, if AK goes to NJ, you can bet he will be making a lot more than his official NBA salary. There is really no way the NBA could police an under-the-table deal in Russia from Prokhorov. Maybe AK will end up with a Russian car dealership when he retires.

Is it illegal to do that here under current rules for retired players?

As an example, what if the Millers were to give you a car dealership now that you've long retired? That can't be against the rules surely, as you've already ceased to be an NBA player? Surely the Millers are able to give you a "gift of appreciation" if they feel you deserved it?

 

[Archie Moses]

If the CBA allows it, and the Bucks were willing, would you do a S&T of Ilyasova for Jefferson, Ilyasova being the person signed of course, at, let's say in this hypothetical, 8M per year.

Pros: We lose Jefferson. We retain depth up front. We gain a stretch 4. We get a guy who can play some 3. We get a guy who can play some defense. We save about 4M this year.
Cons: We lose a center, though imo, it's not a huge loss with Favors and Kanter on board. We lock up long-term money, thus making next summer's spending spree, tougher.

I really liked Ilyasova for a few years after watching his box scores. Then I actually started watching him play in games and realized he's pure garbage.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm sure I'm misreading what you wrote, so skip this if I'm being a dumb dick, dick.



Signing exceptions?

MLE, LLE, Bi-annual. Exceptions for teams over the cap that allow them to sign players. Signing exceptions.

No, that's why they're called exceptions.

Looks like I typed over instead of under. Weird.

As I understand it, teams under the cap must renounce all exceptions (including TPEs) before signing FAs.

TPEs disappear if you're under that cap as far as I know, so you can't renounce them if you're under the cap for more than the exception. Exceptions are allowances for being over the cap. If you're not over the cap, you don't have them.

If their goal was to turn Bogut into Monta Ellis and Jefferson then mission accomplished. I don't understand this equal value balance sheet consideration without accounting for the big picture. Sure they're in a new position pos-trade, but why not pull the view back to the start when evaluating?

We're talking about whether the Bucks can actually make a sign and trade with Ilyasova and Jefferson. I believe they cannot without having no ability to sign free agents other than minimum deals to reach minimum roster requirements.

 

[franklin]

I figured that's what you meant. Thanks for clearing it up.

We're talking about whether the Bucks can actually make a sign and trade with Ilyasova and Jefferson. I believe they cannot without having no ability to sign free agents other than minimum deals to reach minimum roster requirements.

I guess I don't see why that's such a big deal. I don't value Ilyasova very much though. Bucks need a big to replace Bogut and have been selling the competitor/not rebuilding model too. Jefferson + Monday Monta > Bogut + Ilyasova is the question to me.

 

[Weezur]

Hmmm....screw it......mhhhmmm.....pole....mmmk

Why are people replying to this sick thread!?!!??!?!

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Man, I just realized, I've been working on old data. I forgot Bucks and Rockets made a trade.


Dalembert replaces three placers. Dalembert is also 1.4 mil more than the three players the Bucks traded.

So the Bucks have more money invested in fewer players. The have 11 players currently at about 52 million. Jefferson would put them over the cap, so they have to work under the limited trade rules, meaning Ilyasova would have to be signed for 10 million so that they could trade him to the Jazz.


Yuk.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm pretty sure salary up to the cap threshold isn't calculated into returning salary. I'd have to do math and research that I'm simply not going to do right now, but Ilyasova wouldn't have to make that much to make the salaries work.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Wow... really?!?! Didn't notice that!!! Yes... I was looking at something else that were a bit more enticing - "assets".

I'll keep an eye out for the boom mics next time.

I've seen the movie on DVD and they weren't there so I'm not sure how and/or why I saw them but I did. And just for the record, I wasn't drunk and I have 20/13 eyesight. It was driving me bonkers throughout the movie.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm pretty sure salary up to the cap threshold isn't calculated into returning salary. I'd have to do math and research that I'm simply not going to do right now, but Ilyasova wouldn't have to make that much to make the salaries work.

https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q79

Teams under the salary cap may make trades as they please, as long as they don't finish more than $100,000 above the salary cap following any trade. But if a team finishes more than $100,000 over the cap, whether they started out above or below the cap, then an exception is required.