Shooting at Congressional Baseball Practice

[Miggs]

Then you have to consider those that carry a weapon in their car but do not have a CC.

So while I agree with you on the whole 70% thing I also think these numbers are a little low.

You think more than 70% carry?

 

[infection]

Maybe it under represents -- I have no idea. But you'd have to say, if you presume half of all CC holders keep a loaded gun in their car (a number probably much higher than it really is, in my estimation) then that's less than 2%. Then you'd have to ask of all the gun enthusiasts who would carry a loaded gun in their car, how many of them don't have a CC? I'd venture to guess that number is relatively low (I'd be surprised if >50% of people carrying a loaded handgun in their car didn't have a CC license).

 

[franklin]

Maybe it under represents -- I have no idea. But you'd have to say, if you presume half of all CC holders keep a loaded gun in their car (a number probably much higher than it really is, in my estimation) then that's less than 2%. Then you'd have to ask of all the gun enthusiasts who would carry a loaded gun in their car, how many of them don't have a CC? I'd venture to guess that number is relatively low (I'd be surprised if >50% of people carrying a loaded handgun in their car didn't have a CC license).

I wouldn't be so certain. "Loaded" means a bullet chambered. Plenty of people pack and do not chamber a bullet. There also plenty people who open carry in protest and refuse to obtain a cc permit.

 

[franklin]

(don't know if having a loaded gun in your car falls under open carry -- and really, forgive my ignorance but perhaps concealed carry only applies to your person and isn't necessary for a vehicle -- I have no idea so somebody will have to speak to that)

It's legal to carry a loaded firearm in Utah without a cc permit. I bet we are the exception to the rule.

"76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle, unless:
(i) the vehicle is in the person's lawful possession; or
(ii) the person is carrying the loaded firearm in a vehicle with the consent of the person lawfully in possession of the vehicle;
(b) on a public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) Subsection (1)(a) does not apply to a minor under 18 years of age, since a minor under 18 years of age may not carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle.
(3) Notwithstanding Subsection (1)(a)(i) and (ii), a person may not possess a loaded rifle, shotgun, or muzzle-loading rifle in a vehicle.
(4) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor."

 

[DutchJazzer]

well it seems like it's open season on conservatives!

it is always the socialist who start hunting the religious.

from hitler to mao.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...a-great-again-flag-in-indiana/article/2626142

 

[JazzGal]

And the game was played . . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/congress-tees-off-baseball-game-one-day-after-shooting/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17&yptr=yahoo

The Democratic and Republican congressional baseball teams proceeded with their annual game to benefit charity Thursday night under the lights at Nationals Park in Washington, D.C., only 36 hours after a shooter unleashed gunfire at a GOP team practice.

The Democrats won the game, 11-2. Democratic Rep. Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania, his team's manager, accepted the trophy, then gave it to his GOP counterpart, Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, to put in Scalise's office on behalf of the Democrats. After accepting it gracefully, Barton cracked, "Next year we won't be so nice."

The Congressional Baseball Game for Charity -- usually a low-key event that draws about 10,000 people -- had sold more than 20,000 tickets and raised more than $1 million for charity as of Thursday afternoon, according to organizers. That's about twice much as the event raised last year. The stadium projected a rare sense of unity in Washington, as members of both parties rallied together after the shocking shooting that left House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-Louisiana) in critical condition. U.S. Capitol Police officer David Bailey, who was wounded in the shooting while protecting members of Congress, threw the first pitch.*

 

[DutchJazzer]

Sickening that this is the norm now.

You are so far off your rocker that you take a gun and attack people.

Sick of this. We are lucky no one was killed.

yeah socialist peasants are incompetent with guns!

that's why lefties think you cant fight the government with guns!


but still usa having torouble winning wars in the middeleast and even as far back as vietnam

 

[DutchJazzer]

Monarchy: The original small government. Let's go back to that.

original small government.

like for example British empire the monarchy!
seems small enough in the jpg below

from that big monarch government, sprung the first successful liberty republic movement!

now they wanna go global again with the UN, NATO and other globalist ********!

no monarch is big government as you can GET!

so please mister.

from that big government people started fighting against being taxed. against big government rule. the liberty movement did not start there. but it was succesfull opposing a big government monarchy!

 

[Harambe]

original small government.

like for example British empire the monarchy!
seems small enough in the jpg below

from that big monarch government, sprung the first successful liberty republic movement!

now they wanna go global again with the UN, NATO and other globalist ********!

no monarch is big government as you can GET!

so please mister.

from that big government people started fighting against being taxed. against big government rule. the liberty movement did not start there. but it was succesfull opposing a big government monarchy!

Don't confuse small government with large nation/kingdom. It appears you've done that in spades.

 

[moevillini]

Everything. From the nonsense about him being a Sanders supporter, as if it's causal. To that garbage about liberals being supportive of the shooter.

And don't worry about my feelings. I'll be okay. I expect you, on the other hand, to storm out and disappear for a few months.

I think part of the issue with the shooter having been a Sanders supporter is that it runs contrary to the assumption that all progressives are anti-gun

they're not, but that's how they tend to be categorized


I saw a number of Facebook posts from liberal, progressive friends who were Sanders supporters who expressed a degree of shock that someone who they think of as sharing their political leanings would own a gun, yet alone use it in an attack of this nature

 

[Stoked]

I think part of the issue with the shooter having been a Sanders supporter is that it runs contrary to the assumption that all progressives are anti-gun

they're not, but that's how they tend to be categorized


I saw a number of Facebook posts from liberal, progressive friends who were Sanders supporters who expressed a degree of shock that someone who they think of as sharing their political leanings would own a gun, yet alone use it in an attack of this nature

I've never really understood when people are shocked by things like that. People don't come in only a few molds. You can pretty much come up with a random set of beliefs and find someone that has those beliefs. The world, and the people in it, are billions of shades of gray.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Don't confuse small government with large nation/kingdom. It appears you've done that in spades.

or how about that most monarchs have outright gun bans to protect the monarch and no free speech

i have been brought to trial for saying something about a government
i could go on and on and on and on


not because a monarchy is ruled by 1 person it means small government



monarchs enacted gun bans solely for the purpose to protect the king(government) from the individual.