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Shooting at Congressional Baseball Practice

moevillini said:
well as a 66-year old, he would have been enrolled in Medicare. So that arguments has less applicability to this situation
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I was unaware of the shooter's age. So yes, this does weaken this argument only slightly. However, there are cases where doctors drop Medicare patients and perscriptions so expensive that they leave seniors in bind. He still could've benefitted from a single payer system.
 
Why weren't any of those GOP lawmakers packing? With an A+ rating from the NRA you'd think that Salise would've been better prepared. GOP lawmakers are quoted as saying that they were "sitting ducks" and this would've been a "bloodbath" had law enforcement not come to the rescue. I have no doubt it was terrifying... But You'd think that some of those NRA endorsed lawmakers would've been packing heat, right?

In all seriousness, wouldn't you think that attacking NRA endorsed lawmakers would be a death wish? I'm not trying to make light of this. I've heard in Utah's legislature that there are several legislators packing heat. I guess the shooter did die, killed by law enforcement...

Anyway, thoughts and prayers!
 
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The Thriller said:
It's a shame that some people are trying to make this a political issue. Yes, the political rhetoric needs to be chilled. why doesn't the Twitter in Chief set the example?

Let's focus on the facts. The research shows:

  • 1. Wealth inequality leads to civic and social destabilization.
  • 2. Moderate gun regulation leads to lower gun violence rates.
  • 3. Universal health care leads to better health outcomes. Perhaps if this individual had received the health care that they desperately needed he wouldn't have committed such a thoughtless act?
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It was a political motivated act of terrorism. I think it's fair to make it about politics.
 
Who would be carrying a gun while at baseball practice? That sounds pretty dangerous. If Steve Scalise had not been there with his security detail (as he is the majority whip), these guys would have been sitting ducks. I doubt this guy realized that there was armed security personnel as they were not dressed in a uniform and he likely thought he would have free rein and possibly even get away.
 
moevillini said:
I'm not blaming the gun debate, sorry if it sounded that way.

But I do not feel that having more people out on our streets carrying weapons will solve the problem either - yet so often, that seems to be the answer from the pro-gun people. It seems to me that increases the acceptability of violence as a solution to our problems.

And you're right, our current society has been far too polarized for a long time, and it's only getting worse.
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Oh ok, then we agree.

I fully agree on the growing divide. It's getting bad.
 
Listening to NPR. Sounds like the shooter had a fairly extensive history with the law.
 
JazzGal said:
Who would be carrying a gun while at baseball practice? That sounds pretty dangerous. If Steve Scalise had not been there with his security detail (as he is the majority whip), these guys would have been sitting ducks. I doubt this guy realized that there was armed security personnel as they were not dressed in a uniform and he likely thought he would have free rein and possibly even get away.
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Dangerous? About right on par with asking teachers to pack heat in response to school safety, right?
 
I understand why people often so desperately want to attach a meta explanation to individual acts. Perhaps, however, the simplest, best explanation is that this was just a single act by a mentally unhinged individual and it's no one's fault but his or whatever mental illness he happens to have. Or perhaps he's just a really, really big dick.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I understand why people often so desperately want to attach a meta explanation to individual acts. Perhaps, however, the simplest, best explanation is that this was just a single act by a mentally unhinged individual and it's no one's fault but his or whatever mental illness he happens to have. Or perhaps he's just a really, really big dick.
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Well, if you read comments on liberal social media facebook pages, you may be surprised by the amount of people who aren't condemning it, but rather applauding it.
Examples: CNN and Vice.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I understand why people often so desperately want to attach a meta explanation to individual acts. Perhaps, however, the simplest, best explanation is that this was just a single act by a mentally unhinged individual and it's no one's fault but his or whatever mental illness he happens to have. Or perhaps he's just a really, really big dick.
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I think it is a given that this, and others that commit similar crimes, have to have some level of derangement. I fully agree that this man is fully responsible for his actions.

On a larger scale I think that his actions are symptomatic of the increasingly heated divide in America. One that is growing in width and vitriol.
 
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