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I'm not saying that a mercury type preservative in vaccines completely cause all these things, but it definitely contributes.
The vaccine itself is cause for a whole host of auto-immune disorders, in some cases cells actually attacking each other.
To say that anyone knows what exactly causes autism, would be insanely ahead of themselves.
All I'm saying is there are plenty of studies out there linking mercury from vaccines to many many disorders.
I'm not going to explain how vaccines are made, because I'm sure you already know.
Seriously, do you really want this substance injected into your children's bodies?
https://www.naturalnews.com/026779_vaccine_flu_virus.html

How do you know "it definitely contributes" when the mercury has been removed and the problem remains unabated.

There are no scientific studies out there linking autism to mercury nor to vaccines. The one published study was pulled from the Lancet for fraud.

Yes, I keep all my children vaccinated, including for flu. I don't trust cranks and purveyors of nonesense, such as Mike Adams over at natural news, with my health. I strongly suggest you read some blogs by actual doctors on the subject, such as Respectful Insolence or White Coat Underground.

 

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... Again, I think it has a lot to do with sponsorship and current fashions in politics.

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In the specific case of autism studies, there is a lot of money invested in the vaccine business, and those folks will pay good money for scientists, especially those with credentials to beat the band, to weigh in with any study to deny the connection.

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This is a type of medical treatment that should be used sparingly, where the risks of the disease greatly outweigh the adverse possible effects. Preferably where our other resources for treatment have serious deficits as well.

1) Do you any experience in the grant award process, or even the writing of grants? If not, why does what you think about the process carry any wieght?

2) Vaccine manufacturers are have been pulling out of the market becasue they are not hugely profitable.

3) The death rate for measles is small, but it is real. Vaccination brings the rate to basically zero. Not to mention, vaccination also protects people who are genuinely immuno-compromised.

 

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If we had a decent court system, the vaccine makers would be held responsibe to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, even billions.

Actually, as a response to the public hysteria, we have a special court just for people to discuss vaccine injuries, and it has lower standards of evidence for plaintiffs than normal courts have. Even with the reduced standards of evidence, the connection of thimerasol to autism was untenable.

 

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So here is a short treatment of thimerosol toxicity.

These are the Rockefeller stiffs who did the human trials with unknowing black prisoners in the south, inducing and following the course of Syphillus. The Rockefellers are also directly connected through major financial holdings in the German pharmaceutical outfits that ran the WWII concentration camps.

Sorry, but you're not going to persuade me with evidence from VRAN, or any other site that proclaims we have studies connecting vaccines and autism. The site shows every indication of crank thinking. It makes you stupider just for reading it.

German pharmaceutical outfits did not run German WWII concentration camps, the Nazi military ran them.

Bad behavior by a subset of the medical establishment does not provide evidence for an autism-thimerosal link. That's the opposite of critical thinking. I don't trust the "medical establishment", I trust the evidence.

 

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All in all, this is not a specific disease caused by a known pathogen with an understood course of development. It is a category of ailments we have created in our minds and called "autism" or ASD. We have defined it, but we keep expanding the definition, and we like to use this term over some other, older, known conditions. Yes, the problems it describes are real, but they likely come from a variety of causes we are just going to have a lot of trouble linking solidly to the results.

Well said. It was a great post up to this point.

And all this is good for the makers of vaccines. I'm sure they love having the adverse effects of their products lost in a sea of ambiguity and confusion defying the best efforts at investigating their problems. Nope, there will be no research funded anytime soon that will be competent to answer the question here.

It would be immoral to run controlled experiments on the timing of vaccines. That would mean deliberately delaying important medication to children.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

How do you know "it definitely contributes" when the mercury has been removed and the problem remains unabated.

There are no scientific studies out there linking autism to mercury nor to vaccines. The one published study was pulled from the Lancet for fraud.

Yes, I keep all my children vaccinated, including for flu. I don't trust cranks and purveyors of nonesense, such as Mike Adams over at natural news, with my health. I strongly suggest you read some blogs by actual doctors on the subject, such as Respectful Insolence or White Coat Underground.

Do you actually realize that most "white coat" doctors actually get paid extra money to prescribe certain medications and push certain vaccines?

The minute you realize that EVERYTHING is about money, is the minute you realize it's all ********.
Absolutely everything pushed by the mainstream media is about making money, and has nothing to do with helping anyone.
Some of these great white coat doctors are some of the fattest people I've ever met in my life.
Not saying their are not good practitioners out there, but most of those practitioners are independent, and DO NOT accept federal insurance.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

This entire response was apparently due to my "wait... what?" post. To clarify, I was making fun of TheSilencer's posts first claiming that nobody can say for sure what causes autism and them just a couple posts later saying without doubt that immunization is a major cause. He seems to be an expert at being all over the place... and conspiracy theories.

To some up all of my posts.
Let's just say "I believe" that without a doubt mercury contributes to autism. Now there's evidence that points to it as well, but there will always be the other guy that says the evidence points the other way.
Just like I mentioned earlier, there is no cut and dry science and it's always theory.
Why do you think I prefer to stick to things that come from the earth as opposed to things that were created out of a big corporate lab?

Oh yeah.... and your "conspiracy theory" label was pretty predictable.
Even though those arguments are slowly losing there ground as these things all get squeezed out of mainstream publications.

5 years ago, you would've told me that saying the Federal Reserve is a private corporation with control of all American dollars is a conspiracy theory.

 

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The minute you realize that EVERYTHING is about money, is the minute you realize it's all ********.

You think the Founding Fathers created a document suitable for toddlers and you hate capitalism. Is there anything about America you like?

5 years ago, you would've told me that saying the Federal Reserve is a private corporation with control of all American dollars is a conspiracy theory.

Maybe. There's a difference between conspiracy and bat **** crazy though.

 

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You think the Founding Fathers created a document suitable for toddlers and you hate capitalism. Is there anything about America you like?



Maybe. There's a difference between conspiracy and bat **** crazy though.

Haha, I like your style of twisting peoples words around.... quite cute.

I said the document could be easily understood by a 5 year old, and that's the way it was supposed to be written. Not 1000 page long winded rhetoric.

There is also no correlation between the medical industry and capitalism, considering it's completely government controlled.
Capitalism is also a liberal style idea of an other words conservative free market system.

Call things bat **** crazy all you want, but that's your jaded opinion.

I would also like to know what you think is so bat **** crazy about any of my statements?

 

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Haha, I like your style of twisting peoples words around.... quite cute.

I said the document could be easily understood by a 5 year old, and that's the way it was supposed to be written. Not 1000 page long winded rhetoric.

There is also no correlation between the medical industry and capitalism, considering it's completely government controlled.
Capitalism is also a liberal style idea of an other words conservative free market system.

Call things bat **** crazy all you want, but that's your jaded opinion.

I would also like to know what you think is so bat **** crazy about any of my statements?

Opinions are biased or jaded by nature.

 

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Actually, as a response to the public hysteria, we have a special court just for people to discuss vaccine injuries, and it has lower standards of evidence for plaintiffs than normal courts have. Even with the reduced standards of evidence, the connection of thimerasol to autism was untenable.

OK, so this statement refers to something I know nothing about---- a special court----and it's special determinations.

Well, I was about to just respectfully invite you to explain more about it, and I should do that. . . . because at this moment I have not even one single fact about it in my possession.

But I do know that the FDA has in-house "Adminstrative Judges" who hold court and regularly clear their client corporates of all charges. Please tell me this is not the court you are referring to. . . . Please.

 

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Ummm. Mercury is, uh, ok?

I guess you missed my poor attempt to imic your humor.

Lewis Caroll dealt scientifically with the effects of mercury on brain function in his greatest scientific publication, Alice in Wonderland and created a public icon representing the achievements of those dedicated public servants who used to sew the fine gentlemen's and ladies' hat using mercury-weighted threads.

Today, most of these dedicated public servants and probable savants are employed in Chinese toy manufacturing establishments. I pride myself on my membership in the the "Mad Hatters' Union" and attribute my status to the mercury amalgam in my teeth, and the little mercury BB's I used to chase around on the linoleum kitchen floor when I was a toddler, and my father's employment with National Lead and his exclusive use of Dutch Boy Paints throughout the house he built for my mom.

However, when I was diagnosed with the possible autoimmune disease "Multiple Sclerosis", one of the tests that was run on me was for mercury and lead because I worked routinely in a lab where these were much-used reagents, but my blood levels of these things was remarkably below normal for some reason, and were ruled out as the cause of my particular problems. My later work in the lab doing metal-binding studies on the general class of the inducible metallothionein proteins gives a clue as to why my blood and urine levels of heavy metals were below normal. While feeding heavy metals to yeast, mice and dogs for two months, and sacrificing these to recover the produced metallothioneins from the subjects, I'm pretty sure I induced my own production of metallothioneins, which secure and sequester heavy metals and remove them from circulation.

The fact that autoimmune disease is believed to be the root cause of Multiple Sclerosis has been on the table for forty years, with many studies on how the use of vaccines in childhood, and in particular the measles vaccine, have positive and significant correleations with the epidemiology of this disease which shows it's presence by effects on the brain and spinal column. And yet, when I was poring over all the research on MS, I found some less-respected discussions of nutrition being a factor, and decided to change my diet. When I did that, my recovery was so remarkable the doctors decided they must have been just wrong in their diagnosis, because nobody recovers from MS.

Imagination rules, however. And I have kept my imagined status in my imagined union.