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Should Teacher Tenure Be Abolished?

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Maybe we should get rid of all this continuous learning garbage that tends to be nothing more than top down feel good bull **** and adds absolutely no value in the classroom. I know if I were a teacher that lightening the load in this area would go a long way to improving my attitude and probably lead to a more civil discussion.

Some teachers can't leave their kids long enough to take a piss even once during a working day. They're also required to show up to numerous activities outside the normal working day without additional compensation. I'd be a cranky *** if I were treated as a sub-standard citizen who isn't protected by workplace laws like the rest of society.
 
Stickler said:
I didn't claim to know the solutions, nor did I claim to have done any research. I take back what I said about you probably being a good teacher. I think reading comprehension is probably a requisite skill. :)
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Am I supposed to know who you are or something? Anyway, my post wasn't even necessarily about you. But nice job getting defensive, Sally. Stay classy.
 
If teachers had traditionally been given fair pay and fair treatment, there would never have been teacher's unions.

For many schools, an easy solution to save a few dollars has been to keep rotating through newly graduating candidates, at the expense of more capable and experienced teachers. Teachers were fired for trying new methods, not trying new methods, and a variety of other things that wound up being capricious.

It shouldn't be impossible to fire a teacher who's not trying anymore. However, sometimes that's claimed simply because a teacher doesn't feel the principals methods are effective.

Getting rid of the unions will put a lot more poser into the hands of politicians and principals. I'm not sure how that leads directly to better education, becuaseit will have it minuses as well as pluses.

By the way, notion that you can effectively judge a teacher's ability based on what 30 students do over a given year is statistically unsupportable. Kids performance varies too highly from year to year, as does the progress kids make in any given year.
 
The Thriller said:
I don't understand why Chris Christie is attacking teachers in this way. Are teachers really all that powerful in NJ? And why is the Teachers Union being attacked? Are they really that powerful? I'd think they'd be paid a lot more if their union was really so strong....
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As I understand it, he's not attacking the teachers but rather the teacher's union.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ksLlAi3iIc

Here's another video where he talks about some of the specifics in his battle with the union. It's worth watching if you really want to know where he's coming from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMgYzEXWwNk&feature=related

Essentially he is trying to erase an $800 million deficit in education funding. To do this he asked that the teacher's union approve a 1 year freeze on pay increases and contribute 1.5% of their salary to cover their own health care insurance benefits. Right now it is 100% free... for life. If these teachers make on average 63K a year that would amount to $52.50 per month for their health insurance. I pay $360 per month to insure my family.

The union flat out declined and mounted a multi-million dollar campaign to discredit Christie. I have no sympathy for these jackals. The NJEA can cry me a river because they don't know how good they have it and why the feel like they should be insulated through this recession is beyond me.
 
One Brow said:
If teachers had traditionally been given fair pay and fair treatment, there would never have been teacher's unions.
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If the subjective subjection hadn't been so subjectively subjectified then the trivial triviaisms wouldn't have trivified trivia.



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By the way, One Brow, I don't think you were ever publicly thanked on here for your strong support of the Swine Flu Vaccine during that whole scare last year. It's people like you who prevented a huge outbreak from plaguing us all. In retrospect, I'd like to personally thank you for your efforts in thwarting disaster. Rock on dude!
 
My take.

Tenure's valuable because it's a safeguard against ageism. I think some form of it should be in place, though the standards which we have in place now (teaching three years and one day) are not nearly stringent enough. A longer (5-7 year) span with more observations and easier ways to remove awful tenured teachers should exist imo.

In some ways, Conan is right. Many teachers are not fired because administrators don't have balls. But it's also because the entire process to remove a tenured teacher is ridiculously expensive. See below.

https://teachersunionexposed.com/protecting.cfm

In NJ, we're going to go bankrupt unless something changes. I would agree that the NJEA should probably accept the 1.5% health contributions. That's nothing in the scheme of things. As far as pay freezes go, I'm on the fence.
 
Regarding rewarding stronger teachers with better pay or bonuses, I think it's too tough to pull off fairly. I say this as someone whose text scores kick *** compared to my peers. There would be too many factors and ways to look at who should be paid what and quite frankly, I'm not sure any of them are fair.
 
I have 100% respect for cops and teachers. Two jobs that I would never do, for any amount of money. Over-worked, under-appreciated, grossly under-paid.
 
My sisters a teacher. Such a hard career path imo. I feel bad for her.
 
I wanted to be a teacher for the longest time, but the pay just isn't enough. It's sad really. Kids spend almost more awake time with their teachers than their parents.
 
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