Should Teacher Tenure Be Abolished?

[GoJazz]

So the teachers work 70% of a typical year before sick time / Vacation time. Morning prep IF they do any. (When I was in high school about 1 in 5 of my teachers did) Afternoon cleanup was done during our final hour at school. So nothing there. Filling otu forms? Teachers do that? After school activiities... again about 1 in 5 teachers participated.






Lesson plans for most teachers were done in college or there first year teaching. Grading was done by most teachers in class. We would "trade papers". Special needs kids went to special needs classes.





Totally agree with you here. We have extremely poor management in the majority of the schools I have been to.





I didn't say any of this so don't try to twist the arguement. I said 20% of the teachers are doing 80% of the teaching. The other teachers are just hacks passing the time by having the kids grade papers and watch movies ect.

Listen I am not attacking good teachers. I feel like they are doing an outstanding job and should make more money. I am just merely attacking the 80% of crap teachers. If you are offended by my comments maybe you should look inside yourself and ask why am I so offended? Is it in defense of the crappy teachers or is because deep down you know you are one?[/QUOTE]

I'll vouch for One Brow being a good teacher. Go look at his blog.

A more worthwhile question would be "Am I learning anything?" I had teachers that did very poorly in one way or another. Sometimes the kids turned into little monsters and drove them to resign. I just couldn't treat a teacher that way, and listened to what they said and did the assignments. . . . . and learned a lot.

Some of the worst teachers I had were loved by all. The history teacher who couldn't not talk about the basketball team. . . . never said anything about history or gave an assignment.

One Brow is in my opinion more interested in philosophy and logic, and loves to take in any interested person for a chance to look at a new aspect of some subject.

I have no idea if One Brow is a good teacher or not. I really hope he is a good teacher as we have, in my opinion, a serious lack of good teachers/administrators in our schools. So One Brow if you are good teacher - Thank You for all you do. If you suck - Stop being a hack of a teacher. Love GoJazz

Also let me point out that I totally agree with Babe that its not just the teachers fault. The Children and there PARENTS need to step up as well.

 

[LogGrad98]

I have no idea if One Brow is a good teacher or not. I really hope he is a good teacher as we have, in my opinion, a serious lack of good teachers/administrators in our schools. So One Brow if you are good teacher - Thank You for all you do. If you suck - Stop being a hack of a teacher. Love GoJazz

Also let me point out that I totally agree with Babe that its not just the teachers fault. The Children and their PARENTS need to step up as well.

Bold: qft

Underline: fixed

 

[moevillini]

somehow there Log, you screwed up

;-)

multi-quoting is a bear in this system

 

[CONAN]

Of all the factors involved in the education of a child the home environment is by far the biggest and it's not even close. I'd love see something where parents get a bonus or tax breaks or something if their kids get good grades. Kind of like what car insurance companies do.

People talk and talk about legislation and changing education and tenure and unions and whatever. Improve the home life and you'll improve education faster than anything else.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Of all the factors involved in the education of a child the home environment is by far the biggest and it's not even close. I'd love see something where parents get a bonus or tax breaks or something if their kids get good grades. Kind of like what car insurance companies do.

People talk and talk about legislation and changing education and tenure and unions and whatever. Improve the home life and you'll improve education faster than anything else.

I want to kiss Conan so badly right now. Even though it's pointless evolutionarily speaking. This post is so spot on, it's not even close.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Of all the factors involved in the education of a child the home environment is by far the biggest and it's not even close. I'd love see something where parents get a bonus or tax breaks or something if their kids get good grades. Kind of like what car insurance companies do.

People talk and talk about legislation and changing education and tenure and unions and whatever. Improve the home life and you'll improve education faster than anything else.

I agree.
Most, if not all issues with society come back to the family, or even individual level.
The most effective, and yet most difficult and time consuming way to improve issues in society, is to improve the individuals in society.

 

[franklin]

I'll agree with babe in the sense that too many teachers are concerned with being liked or the student's "friend" or they can't manage a class. Or sadly, they think the kids aren't capable or don't care, at least in my experience in an urban setting. That **** pisses me off to no extent because they the teachers simply suck at managing and motivating.

What percent do you suppose are perverted women who are there to check out the young tush?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

What percent do you suppose are perverted women who are there to check out the young tush?

1%

 

[moevillini]

Of all the factors involved in the education of a child the home environment is by far the biggest and it's not even close. I'd love see something where parents get a bonus or tax breaks or something if their kids get good grades. Kind of like what car insurance companies do....

an intriguing concept! don't have time to look for links now, but I know there are schools that are doing something like this - - probably mainly private schools - - but I have heard of schools rewarding students who meet certain benchmarks (not necessarily just related to grades)

I agree.
Most, if not all issues with society come back to the family, or even individual level.
The most effective, and yet most difficult and time consuming way to improve issues in society, is to improve the individuals in society.

and it's ironic, but isn't that at least part of the purpose of the educational system in the first place?

 

[Jazzfan_Bayamon 2]

What percent do you suppose are perverted women who are there to check out the young tush?

Not as many as there should be

 

[CONAN]

an intriguing concept! don't have time to look for links now, but I know there are schools that are doing something like this - - probably mainly private schools - - but I have heard of schools rewarding students who meet certain benchmarks (not necessarily just related to grades)

Some schools are rewarding students with money. Obviously, there are other rewards good students get just for being good students like scholarships or the development of a work ethic or what have you. But I think it's more effective to reward parents. Get them involved. Even if it starts with extrinsic motivation (bribery).

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Some schools are rewarding students with money. Obviously, there are other rewards good students get just for being good students like scholarships or the development of a work ethic or what have you. But I think it's more effective to reward parents. Get them involved. Even if it starts with extrinsic motivation (bribery).

I definitely see the positives but also recognize how this could open Pandora's box. How many borderline honor roll students' parents would come in offering money (less than they'd receive of course) to teachers to bring them up to honor roll to meet said expectations?