Should the South secede?

[Dr. Jones]

That's all good. But things were fine before laws like the Glass-Steagall Act were repealed, giving the money movers, who simply play a facilitator's role in the economy, disastrously undue power. And before we started cutting the taxes of the richest without any clear returns, and while we drowned more and more in debt. Hell, the economy was doing incredibly well in the 50s and 60s despite a MUCH higher tax rate.

If something is wasteful and does not offer clear benefit, then cut it. No problem. If private citizens can offer a better service, then by all means, privatize. But keep in mind we're SUPPOSED to pay for those programs. They're not intended to make profits. It's a sacrifice that we pay to ensure the continuation of our cultural heritage. The fact that it's not voluntary is important! That is the social contract. And it is more important than that 0.8% extra quarterly growth the shareholders are expecting. As a society, we should have employ a broader risk-benefit analysis than that of corporations. Our interests don't always overlap.

I think we're in agreement. I really don't give much a damn whether it's a government program or private. I only care that folks get a fair shake and that we get the best value for our tax dollars. There's corruption in both .. I am all for MUCH stiffer penalties. I don't want what's not mine. I only want a healthy gov't that allows people to reach their potential, and not over-spend ... so that 'we' don't have to pay more taxes than necessary.

 

[The Thriller]

How can you grow food without government subsidies? Or without illegal immigrant workers?

If you take away those two aspects, where does that leave America's farm industry?

Also, has anyone seen where most of the food stamps go in this country? It ain't the north folks...

Saying that the south would be just fine/survive without the north or east could survive without the west or whatever is just dumb.

I have a better idea, lets try civility. If you don't think gay people should get married, then don't get married to a gay person!

At least half the issues of this south vs north could be avoided if the other stopped trying to "take a stand" against an issue that really doesn't matter.

 

[Dr. Jones]

How can you grow food without government subsidies? Or without illegal immigrant workers?

If you take away those two aspects, where does that leave America's farm industry?

Who are you asking? Serious question because I didn't see a single post that suggested there should be no government or subsidized programs.

 

[The Thriller]

Who are you asking? Serious question because I didn't see a single post that suggested there should be no government or subsidized programs.

Who pays the bulk for these subsidies? it ain't the agrarian south. It's the industrialized north.

Getting rid of illegal workers? Apparently you haven't been paying attention to states like Arizona, Alabama, and Utah.

 

[northeast]

But yeah, northeast was just right.

fixed

 

[Dr. Jones]

Who pays the bulk for these subsidies? it ain't the agrarian south. It's the industrialized north.

Getting rid of illegal workers? Apparently you haven't been paying attention to states like Arizona, Alabama, and Utah.

Again, who the hell are you talking to and to what, specifically? You just like popped in here all sneaky and stuff.

 

[franklin]

How can you grow food without government subsidies? Or without illegal immigrant workers?

If you take away those two aspects, where does that leave America's farm industry?

I rarely read your posts because I rarely find anything of value in them... I once calculated the cost (to Ronald McDonald) of paying tomato pickers $35/hr & it was somewhere around $0.04 IIRC. The cost of labor can by both highly overstated & understated.

 

[The Thriller]

Again, who the hell are you talking to and to what, specifically? You just like popped in here all sneaky and stuff.

I was mostly posting in jest, but since you requested and seem interested in arguing this issue, try reading post #10:

If civilization were to simply fail about the only blue state that could survive is CA. They can at least grow their own food. You simps in the northeast would all starve to death. And when you came to take ours we'd just shoot you. We have all the guns too.

Hence, the blue "northern" states would starve while red or southern states would survive due to having guns and crops. I was merely posting for fun, just as most people have in this thread. But since you seem to take this personal, go ahead and lets argue!

You may want to try reading this thread first before posting anymore, hun. Oh, and btw, weren't you going to prove to me that Calipari hasn't been involved with any illegal recruiting in his college career? I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me.

 

[Siro]

I think the food argument is Scat's?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I was mostly posting in jest, but since you requested and seem interested in arguing this issue, try reading post #10:


Hence, the blue "northern" states would starve while red or southern states would survive due to having guns and crops. I was merely posting for fun, just as most people have in this thread. But since you seem to take this personal, go ahead and lets argue!

You may want to try reading this thread first before posting anymore, hun. Oh, and btw, weren't you going to prove to me that Calipari hasn't been involved with any illegal recruiting in his college career? I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me.

I've read the thread. Your post just seemed way random at the moment.

As for Calipari; It is hysterically like you to pose the question the way you did. You are waiting for me to PROVE that Calipari hasn't cheated.. classic, thriller.

 

[The Thriller]

Nice job Kentucky, #7 in taking food stamps and living off the government! Way to be!

Notice how 7 out of 10 of the top recipients in food stamps come from the south? LOL!

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...stamps_n_860233.html#s278473&title=7_Kentucky

Sounds like such a wonderful place...

 

[northeast]

So are you saying that thriller is wrong about government subsidies and immigrant workers having a major role in our food supply?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think the food argument is Scat's?

I've only had one damn argument in all of these politithreads.. let's all lock arms and do everything we can to eliminate over-spending so we can make the money go farther. That's it. All the rest of the debates can suck it as far as I'm concerned.

 

[The Thriller]

I've read the thread. Your post just seemed way random at the moment.

As for Calipari; It is hysterically like you to pose the question the way you did. You are waiting for me to PROVE that Calipari hasn't cheated.. classic, thriller.

How so? I brought it up several weeks ago as a honest question. You then got your panties in a twist and STILL refuse to answer. Classic PKM. Dish it out but can't take it. What are you hiding?

If you really wish to enlighten me, PM me. Because I believe it's only a matter of when not IF Cal gets caught at Kentucky. Just look at the disasters he has left all of his other previous college jobs.

if you can't enlighten me, then why even argue? Why get your panties all in a twist?

it's like... Me wanting to know how Enes Kanter is doing with this new workout program, you saying that you know, and then refusing to tell, and then blaming me for not knowing. It just... Doesn't make sense!

 

[northeast]

I was mostly posting in jest, but since you requested and seem interested in arguing this issue, try reading post #10:


Hence, the blue "northern" states would starve while red or southern states would survive due to having guns and crops. I was merely posting for fun, just as most people have in this thread. But since you seem to take this personal, go ahead and lets argue!

You may want to try reading this thread first before posting anymore, hun. Oh, and btw, weren't you going to prove to me that Calipari hasn't been involved with any illegal recruiting in his college career? I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me.

Relax friend. Good point. Don't sweat the small stuff, we are winning this one.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So are you saying that thriller is wrong about government subsidies and immigrant workers having a major role in our food supply?

You have got to be an alt account.

 

[Scat]

The red states have all the hardest workers too. Know how to put in a good day's labor. Blue states all just shuffle paper and brag about how much smarter they are than red states.

 

[Dr. Jones]

How so? I brought it up several weeks ago as a honest question. You then got your panties in a twist and STILL refuse to answer. Classic PKM. Dish it out but can't take it. What are you hiding?

If you really wish to enlighten me, PM me. Because I believe it's only a matter of when not IF Cal gets caught at Kentucky. Just look at the disasters he has left all of his other previous college jobs.

I guess you didn't get it. You asked me to prove something that didn't happen. How am I supposed to prove to you that Cal isn't a cheat? Understand?
By the way, I will not participate in this derail. I put up with the Cal cheating stuff from folks all the time and it doesn't belong here .. nor do I care to PM with you on the subject.

Amazing how many haters this board harbors.

 

[The Thriller]

So are you saying that thriller is wrong about government subsidies and immigrant workers having a major role in our food supply?

I believe they all feed off each other.

I don't really have a problem with farmers (wherever they are) receiving subsidies in order to grow their crops. I also have no problem with immigrants working on them either. I'd rather have them work than see my veggie prices skyrocket.

What I don't like are punkasses like PKM acting as if they're somehow better than others, unconnected and not reliant upon other states, and denying how absolutely large and complex our economy is.

Once folks like PKM understand that Kentucky relies heavily on California, New York, and Michigan, the better off we'll be.

 

[northeast]

We were all getting along so well there for about 5 minutes!
Good talk. We made some progress here tonight.