Cappy_Smurf
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It's gone on for 3 pages because this is a legitimate way to add trade flexibility by circumventing the cap. Don't be so quick to dismiss.
Should we give Jeremy Evans a huge deal this summer?
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It's gone on for 3 pages because this is a legitimate way to add trade flexibility by circumventing the cap. Don't be so quick to dismiss.
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When you ask if 'we' should, do you mean the Jazz or like jazzfanz or maybe just some of us put together a pool?
Maybe we could sell raffle tickets for a chance to win a shotgun. Oops, I read the general discussion thread, a gun raffle ain't gonna fly around here. How about a raffle for a pig! Now that Enes is gone a pig can't be too controversial right?
So if we can sell 100 tickets at $10,002.38 it should be enough to pay for the pig and Jeremy.
Maybe we could sell raffle tickets for a chance to win a shotgun. Oops, I read the general discussion thread, a gun raffle ain't gonna fly around here. How about a raffle for a pig! Now that Enes is gone a pig can't be too controversial right?
So if we can sell 100 tickets at $10,002.38 it should be enough to pay for the pig and Jeremy.
Cappy_Smurf
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Well, you said we could give some other player the same deal, but we can't go over the cap to sign FAs, so that's why Hedda is suggesting Jeremy. The only way this affects our pursuit of FAs is if we find someone where we are short by 3.4 million or less. In that case we could renounce Jeremy to get a little more cap room.
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Jeremy Evans and huge deal do not belong together in the same sentence. That is pretty simple. Mid-level is probably too much for a 14th spot. I think we sit tight and see what the market does.
Cappy_Smurf
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Huge was a poor choice of words, and I had the same reaction when I saw the title. In reality, this idea is about overpaying him a bit as potential trade filler. We do it because we can go over the cap to sign him, which means that money can't be spent elsewhere anyway. Booker's contract was structured specifically as a potential trade chip/filler, and this is kind of feeding off the same idea. It's just a way of adding trade flexibility after we've already burned our cap room. Even though we could pay him less, in this scenario we intentionally overpay with the idea that he'll be filler in a trade.
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I don't think people get it... This deal only works once over the cap. We'd have to sign our own free agent at that point not some other guy off the market. This isn't to retain Jeremy... This is just a cap asset. I'd say no if I was the millers, but if DL had better be damned sure he was going to use it if the millers did it.
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Reasonable. Still not a fan of the idea.
Cappy_Smurf
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Well, I look at it this way. If the team makes the playoffs, it would be well worth the gamble on the Miller's part for the added revenue. I believe they will make it anyway, but added flexibility would be good insurance. It would also allow us to keep Booker instead of trading him, which would almost be automatic in any significant trade. I guess it just depends on how dedicated the Millers are to winning. I'm betting Utah is at the point where they start operating a little differently than have the last 2 years.
Is having a cap clearing asset like Evans (if we sign him to this deal) really that valuable when the cap is going to explode the year his contract becomes non-guaranteed and cutable?
How many teams are going to looking to dump contracts for picks when the cap is going to explode?
It also guarantees that it would be his last year with the team, as there would be no way we would keep him for a 2nd year at 5 million if we couldn't trade him.
How many teams are going to looking to dump contracts for picks when the cap is going to explode?
It also guarantees that it would be his last year with the team, as there would be no way we would keep him for a 2nd year at 5 million if we couldn't trade him.
Cappy_Smurf
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That isn't the only possibility, and the value of doing this would be at the trade deadline. Suppose a team that is pushing for the playoffs has a player go down with an injury. Maybe we have a player that could be a decent fill in, and the injured player is someone worth gambling on for the future, but we don't have enough salary to match. That's just one possibility, but when it comes down to it, this just gives us more flexibility to improve through trade without any risk, other than the Miller's pocketbook, and even then this could be good insurance toward making the playoffs or possibly extending the playoffs, which means it could pay off for the Millers as well.
No, Utah could decline the option and re-sign him if they wanted, but either way, it isn't going to really hurt us to let him go if that was the decision. Losing Evans certainly isn't a concern worth missing out on a significant trade. The other possibility here is using Evans as filler instead of Booker, which should be a no-brainer.
Agreed, although a few people seem to be coming around. Another way to look at it, is if the NBA allowed teams to buy a 5 million TPE once they reached the cap, would we want to do it? This is basically the same idea, except we get a player at the end of the bench, and this is better in that Jeremy's salary could be combined with other players, and a TPE cannot.
Going over the cap also opens up our 5M mid-level exception, instead of 2.8M mid-level exception. In theory we can go over the limit with either Evans or Ingles. I think it will be wise for us to go over the limit with somebody. We might not need it next year(very possible with the rising cap room), but having it and not needing it sure beats not having it and needing it. Ideally we would go close to the salary cap with our other signings(free agency, trades) and then we would offer Evans and/or Ingles a contract that guarantees we go over.