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Should We Reward Good Students?

JimLes said:
Or maybe instead of teaching kids that hard work will always, unfailingly yield tremendous amount of success, maybe we should teach them that success mostly has to do with factors outside their control?
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"Just hope for the best kids, nothing you can really do about it."



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JimLes said:
What a load of ****. I was the laziest, least motivated, most irresponsible student you can imagine. I always got better grades than my schoolmates who busted their asses off. What does that teach them?
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It probably taught your classmates that you knew a lot about stuff in school, but know nothing about the real world and how it operates. That's why we see so many people like you go to grad school because they don't know what the hell else to do, but don't want to leave their structured world where they have little to no responsibilities other than grades and learning.

JimLes said:
Or maybe instead of teaching kids that hard work will always, unfailingly yield tremendous amount of success, maybe we should teach them that success mostly has to do with factors outside their control?
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Most people will never see success without hard work. There are stupid people who work hard, but don't get far and there are smart people who don't work hard and do get far...however most of these people are outliers. The majority of people who are successful work their asses off AND are somewhat smart. Of course there are going to be some factors outside their control, but anybody who teaches that hard work is a bad thing is a complete moron.
 
I agree with rewarding students in school for various things. Such as academic excellence, athletic excellence, academic improvement and social aspects.

This notion that kids who bust their butt in some positive way shouldn't be recognized/rewarded is very foolish to me. I think a healthy discussion about the best way to do that could be useful though.
 
My experience with public education was a tremendous amount of focus on the bottom end, and neglect of the top. Wasn't and am not a fan.
 
One Brow said:
This was never a fact. There have always been people working 80 hours a week and having little or nothing to show for it at the end of the year.
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Well lots of factors are at play here, not the least of which is financial literacy. However, it is hard to argue that hard work does not in some way trump no work when it comes to giving yourself the best shot to get ahead in life. Playing the odds anyone would have to bet on hard work over no work.
 
Hantlers said:
Of course there are going to be some factors outside their control,
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Most factors are outside their control. You don't choose your DNA, you don't choose your parents, you don't choose if you have family members in jail or on drugs, you don't choose how much money you have growing up, you don't choose how much funding your school has, you don't choose whether or not you have family members to support, you don't choose whether you have enough money to go to college.

I never said hard work is a bad thing. I just don't think it has much to do with success. Claiming that success is mostly hard work is nothing more than ********, right-wing, neo-liberal propaganda. Especially when it flies into the face of research that shows that more or less, you're going to end up being the same economic and social class as the one you've grown up in.
 
JimLes said:
Most factors are outside their control. You don't choose your DNA, you don't choose your parents, you don't choose if you have family members in jail or on drugs, you don't choose how much money you have growing up, you don't choose how much funding your school has, you don't choose whether or not you have family members to support, you don't choose whether you have enough money to go to college.

I never said hard work is a bad thing. I just don't think it has much to do with success. Claiming that success is mostly hard work is nothing more than ********, right-wing, neo-liberal propaganda. Especially when it flies into the face of research that shows that more or less, you're going to end up being the same economic and social class as the one you've grown up in.
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You literally disgust me. You act like we have no choices in life but to be who we were born as, to stay in the same place. You act as if success is only for the lucky.

Ya know what I think? I think you don't view yourself as successful, but you aren't willing to admit that it was your fault. It wasn't your fault that you're not happy with your crummy teaching job. It's not your fault that you aren't loaded. It's not your fault that you couldn't fulfill the majority of your dreams. Take some responsibility for once in your life, and then maybe you do something worth a damn.
 
Hantlers said:
You literally disgust me. You act like we have no choices in life but to be who we were born as, to stay in the same place. You act as if success is only for the lucky.

Ya know what I think? I think you don't view yourself as successful, but you aren't willing to admit that it was your fault. It wasn't your fault that you're not happy with your crummy teaching job. It's not your fault that you aren't loaded. It's not your fault that you couldn't fulfill the majority of your dreams. Take some responsibility for once in your life, and then maybe you do something worth a damn.
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JimLes said:
Most factors are outside their control. You don't choose your DNA, you don't choose your parents, you don't choose if you have family members in jail or on drugs, you don't choose how much money you have growing up, you don't choose how much funding your school has, you don't choose whether or not you have family members to support, you don't choose whether you have enough money to go to college.

I never said hard work is a bad thing. I just don't think it has much to do with success. Claiming that success is mostly hard work is nothing more than ********, right-wing, neo-liberal propaganda. Especially when it flies into the face of research that shows that more or less, you're going to end up being the same economic and social class as the one you've grown up in.
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Success doesn't necessarily mean becoming richer.
 
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