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sick of being treated like the nba's step child

FrenchJazzFa said:
I don't think the point is about the market big or not. The point for real star player is where they want to live, where their family want to stay. And 99.99% of them prepare to live in Miami or LA than SLC...
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They want to be where the IG models are.
 
silesian said:
IF they were big market with huge number of fans they would have big revenue. Unless you want us to believe that their fans spend less money than other fans.

If I asked you in 1990 if San Antonio was a small market the answer was clearly "yes" and they would be a team you would consider a 'farm team" for big markets. They overcame the small market and became successful.

Similarly, if the Grizzlies become a powerhouse and grow their revenue and fan base by 2035, you would then argue that they are no longer a small market team.

Your logic is completely circular. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Another thing that really helps the Spurs fanbase size is that they were one of the early teams to have big time successful foreign players who won rings as main pieces.

Before the Spurs, which team won a ring with their 2nd/3rd best player being a foreigner? The closest was the Bulls with Kukoc? And he was more like the 4th/5th best. (shooting from the hip on that one). I might be forgetting someone.
 
silesian said:
IF they were big market with huge number of fans they would have big revenue. Unless you want us to believe that their fans spend less money than other fans.

If I asked you in 1990 if San Antonio was a small market the answer was clearly "yes" and they would be a team you would consider a 'farm team" for big markets. They overcame the small market and became successful.

Similarly, if the Grizzlies become a powerhouse and grow their revenue and fan base by 2035, you would then argue that they are no longer a small market team.

Your logic is completely circular. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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For the purpose of this discussion, at the outset, the claim was that small market teams are farm teams for the big market teams. Small market teams don't attract big name free agents. But market teams do. San Antonio has never had that problem. They are attractive to free agents. And I have already shown they are in the top 10 in fan base from several sources. You can beat your drum all you want but bring louder doesn't make you right. No one in the world would argue that Utah is as big a market and as big a draw as San Antonio, except Utah fans. It just isn't. You can say the Web sites I posted are wrong, that's fine, people rail in the face of facts all the time. But it doesn't change the fact that SA's fan base is top 10 and ours is bottom 5. Or you can find some other sources to prove that wrong. Or just live in your bubble. Seems to make you happy so maybe just stay there. It's safer.
 
LogGrad98 said:
For the purpose of this discussion, at the outset, the claim was that small market teams are farm teams for the big market teams. Small market teams don't attract big name free agents. But market teams do. San Antonio has never had that problem. They are attractive to free agents. And I have already shown they are in the top 10 in fan base from several sources. You can beat your drum all you want but bring louder doesn't make you right. No one in the world would argue that Utah is as big a market and as big a draw as San Antonio, except Utah fans. It just isn't. You can say the Web sites I posted are wrong, that's fine, people rail in the face of facts all the time. But it doesn't change the fact that SA's fan base is top 10 and ours is bottom 5. Or you can find some other sources to prove that wrong. Or just live in your bubble. Seems to make you happy so maybe just stay there. It's safer.
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well you are arguing against points that I have never made or implied, so I have nothing to say about your tangents. That is the definition of living in a bubble.
 
LogGrad98 said:
For the purpose of this discussion, at the outset, the claim was that small market teams are farm teams for the big market teams. Small market teams don't attract big name free agents. But market teams do. San Antonio has never had that problem. They are attractive to free agents. And I have already shown they are in the top 10 in fan base from several sources. You can beat your drum all you want but bring louder doesn't make you right. No one in the world would argue that Utah is as big a market and as big a draw as San Antonio, except Utah fans. It just isn't. You can say the Web sites I posted are wrong, that's fine, people rail in the face of facts all the time. But it doesn't change the fact that SA's fan base is top 10 and ours is bottom 5. Or you can find some other sources to prove that wrong. Or just live in your bubble. Seems to make you happy so maybe just stay there. It's safer.
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The fact is that San Antonio evolved from a small market team that was undesirable destination for free agents into an attractive destination. This fact disproves your flawed hypothesis.
 
silesian said:
well you are arguing against points that I have never made or implied, so I have nothing to say about your tangents. That is the definition of living in a bubble.
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Maybe you should have read about what discussion you were jumping into. You brought up tangents, I have stuck to my point in the discussion the entire way.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Maybe you should have read about what discussion you were jumping into. You brought up tangents, I have stuck to my point in the discussion the entire way.
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Your comments were in response to and directed to me
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
At this point I’d take anything to get rid of him. Yes he’s a good player but we suck and won’t be good for at least a couple more years. All he’s doing is blocking Hendricks. I don’t see a team giving prospects or first rounders for him. Unless it’s someone like Boston or Philly or some other contender. contender.
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This has to be the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on this board.
 
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