Since I promised to stay out of the other thread, but have been summoned

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Joe Bagadonuts requested my response, so here it is,

I understand what you are saying. I don't get the drinking the pesticide crap. That's just dumb. I posted another link that shows he was scrubbed from their website as a founder. They have re-written their history.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/03/18/google-scrubs-greenpeace-co-founder-protect-aoc/

Those of us that read English can clearly see where it says, "The committee's founders and first members included:".

Now, unless Greenpeace has somehow denied Moore was one of the first members, that page shows no dishonesty on Greenpeace's denial. Moore was not a founder, but he was one of the first members.

 

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So. recognizing that conservatives need a safe space, I will use this thread to respond to posts as I see fit. All the conservatives are welcome to join in or stay out, as befits their mental health.

 

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Wow! Waiting for One Brow to chime in that Google also revises the resumes of liberals when they step out of line.

Unlike some, I know the difference between Google and Greenpeace.

 

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That is just semantics now. I am okay with calling a first member a founder so I will leave it at that. I think JoeBagadonuts was referring to google scrubbing him out.

 

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They do not disprove but I think you'd be surprised that there are more than a few outliers. Here's some info provided by a reputable alternative health activist: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/disease/autism-spectrum-disorders

A "reputable alternative health activist" is an oxymoron. Anything reputable done by alternative health activists are mainstream medicinal recommendations done by mainstream medical professions.

 

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That is just semantics now.

You mean, it's true, but you don't like the truth, so it's an unimportant truth?

I am okay with calling a first member a founder so I will leave it at that.

Like Judas was a founder of Christianity?

I think JoeBagadonuts was referring to google scrubbing him out.

Moore is easily searchable on Google. Any scrubbing was done on the Greenpeace website by Greenpeace.

 

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Here is a very pragmatic way to discuss climate change:

I also find trying to skew the discussion by ignoring competing interests (present and future) and pretending they are the same, implying your opposition might take anti-human positions, and insisting on precision in the face of the unknown (how high sea level rise will depend upon the stability of the ice shelfs in Arctic/Antarctic) to be very pragmatic. It's not honest discussion, but it is pragmatic.

 

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I'm really glad I have no idea what's going on here

 

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A "reputable alternative health activist" is an oxymoron. Anything reputable done by alternative health activists are mainstream medicinal recommendations done by mainstream medical professions.

No, it's not an oxymoron because some mainstream medicinal recommendations are not reputable. Like getting chemotherapy if you're more than 70 and in late-stage cancer. But mainstream oncologists do it all the time. Mainstream medicine is today in disrepute. The overuse of pharmaceuticals and failure to recognize ancient therapies like acupuncture and other holistic treatments is definitely in disrepute.

 

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Like getting chemotherapy if you're more than 70 and in late-stage cancer.

I suppose that depends on how long the patient wants to live.

The overuse of pharmaceuticals and failure to recognize ancient therapies like acupuncture and other holistic treatments is definitely in disrepute.

"Pharmaceuticals" = medicines that have biological effects. "Acupuncture and other holistic treatments" = medicines that rely on the placebo effect. Rarely is relying on the placebo effect a reputable choice.

 

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So. recognizing that conservatives need a safe space, I will use this thread to respond to posts as I see fit. All the conservatives are welcome to join in or stay out, as befits their mental health.

Lol

 

[Getting Traded]

I suppose that depends on how long the patient wants to live.



"Pharmaceuticals" = medicines that have biological effects. "Acupuncture and other holistic treatments" = medicines that rely on the placebo effect. Rarely is relying on the placebo effect a reputable choice.

Wow -- acupuncture is a proven treatment. It does not act on the basis of a placebo effect. There is science that supports it. Ever have acupuncture done? I have and believe me, it is anything but a placebo. It pinpoints pressure points that trigger nerves (don't quote me on this because I might not be totally accurate on how it works) but when I had it, I was in severe pain in my lower back, and voila when the needle hit the trigger point, I felt a split-second of very sharp pain, and then sudden total numbing of the pain. That is hardly a placebo effect.

Studies have shown that elderly patients with late stage cancer live longer than without treatment than those who have chemo. I'm talking late-stage cancer. I also saw an article in the Journal of Clinical Oncology when I was doing reports for the podcasts of a holistic cancer specialist, Bill Henderson, that stated chemo for terminal-stage, elderly patients was not recommended but that doctors did it anyway to give patients hope (and who knows what else, probably to add more money to their income). In my opinion, from what I learned I would avoid chemo at all costs. Of course, you have to weigh a lot of factors, especially the type of cancer, how aggressive it's spreading, etc.

 

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Wow -- acupuncture is a proven treatment. It does not act on the basis of a placebo effect. There is science that supports it.

Did you know that they invented sham acupuncture, in order to compare it to real acupuncture? Sham acupuncture works just as real as the real thing.

Ever have acupuncture done? I have and believe me, it is anything but a placebo. It pinpoints pressure points that trigger nerves (don't quote me on this because I might not be totally accurate on how it works) but when I had it, I was in severe pain in my lower back, and voila when the needle hit the trigger point, I felt a split-second of very sharp pain, and then sudden total numbing of the pain. That is hardly a placebo effect.

That's a great description of how the placebo effect works.

Studies have shown that elderly patients with late stage cancer live longer than without treatment than those who have chemo. I'm talking late-stage cancer. I also saw an article in the Journal of Clinical Oncology when I was doing reports for the podcasts of a holistic cancer specialist, Bill Henderson, that stated chemo for terminal-stage, elderly patients was not recommended but that doctors did it anyway to give patients hope (and who knows what else, probably to add more money to their income). In my opinion, from what I learned I would avoid chemo at all costs. Of course, you have to weigh a lot of factors, especially the type of cancer, how aggressive it's spreading, etc.

That sounds believable, and unfortunate. I agree that treatments which shorten overall lifespan should not be engaged in.

 

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Did you know that they invented sham acupuncture, in order to compare it to real acupuncture? Sham acupuncture works just as real as the real thing.



That's a great description of how the placebo effect works.

Now, Eric, you know how hard-headed I am, you think I would be convinced by the placebo effect?

 

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Now, Eric, you know how hard-headed I am, you think I would be convinced by the placebo effect?

I'll just say that's it's perfectly possible to be both stubborn and credulous at the same time. Nothing about one cancels out the other.

 

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So. recognizing that conservatives need a safe space, I will use this thread to respond to posts as I see fit. All the conservatives are welcome to join in or stay out, as befits their mental health.

Gold

 

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Wow -- acupuncture is a proven treatment. It does not act on the basis of a placebo effect. There is science that supports it. Ever have acupuncture done? I have and believe me, it is anything but a placebo. It pinpoints pressure points that trigger nerves (don't quote me on this because I might not be totally accurate on how it works) but when I had it, I was in severe pain in my lower back, and voila when the needle hit the trigger point, I felt a split-second of very sharp pain, and then sudden total numbing of the pain. That is hardly a placebo effect.

Studies have shown that elderly patients with late stage cancer live longer than without treatment than those who have chemo. I'm talking late-stage cancer. I also saw an article in the Journal of Clinical Oncology when I was doing reports for the podcasts of a holistic cancer specialist, Bill Henderson, that stated chemo for terminal-stage, elderly patients was not recommended but that doctors did it anyway to give patients hope (and who knows what else, probably to add more money to their income). In my opinion, from what I learned I would avoid chemo at all costs. Of course, you have to weigh a lot of factors, especially the type of cancer, how aggressive it's spreading, etc.

I almost fell for the feel good, no chemo approach to fighting my cancer. Looked at hyper calcium and sodium dosing, actually started taking laetrile, heavily modified my diet, etc. Etc. This was after experiencing the sheer brutality of heavy chemo first hand and thinking, no ****ing way. You have no idea until you have that needle in your arm. But luckily I listened to wiser people than me (chiefly my dad, best man I've ever known) and I proceeded with the prescribed chemo regimen. I do not credit chemo with saving my life, to me that is a joint effort, and the Lions share of the credit goes to proton therapy at Loma Linda University in California, but I thank God I did not give up on proven medicine, and that I abandoned the hokey snake oil the holistic "healers" were peddling. Hell one person I had started to see told me that proton therapy was the worst kind of radiation because it is nuclear in origin and would irradiate my cells and I would die within 5 years of radiation poisoning. Such ******** is what's really lethal.

 

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I almost fell for the feel good, no chemo approach to fighting my cancer. Looked at hyper calcium and sodium dosing, actually started taking laetrile, heavily modified my diet, etc. Etc. This was after experiencing the sheer brutality of heavy chemo first hand and thinking, no ****ing way. You have no idea until you have that needle in your arm. But luckily I listened to wiser people than me (chiefly my dad, best man I've ever known) and I proceeded with the prescribed chemo regimen. I do not credit chemo with saving my life, to me that is a joint effort, and the Lions share of the credit goes to proton therapy at Loma Linda University in California, but I thank God I did not give up on proven medicine, and that I abandoned the hokey snake oil the holistic "healers" were peddling. Hell one person I had started to see told me that proton therapy was the worst kind of radiation because it is nuclear in origin and would irradiate my cells and I would die within 5 years of radiation poisoning. Such ******** is what's really lethal.

Log, this is not a simple black and white issue. There are numerous testimonies of people who were given up by doctors and told they should prepare to die and took the holistic treatment and cured themselves. It is a known fact the chemo and radiation are carcinogenic. Yes, they kill cancer but they also kill the rest of you, including your immune system, but if you are young and strong, you have a better chance of being cured. I saw a senior citizen die within weeks after undergoing aggressive chemo. There is a series, The Truth About Cancer that goes into depth about holistic treatment. Also, there is the cancertutor.com. You are lucky to survive, and you know yourself that your doctors only hoped their treatment would work. No one has a foolproof cure for cancer, conventional or alternative doctors.

 

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Not really both are toxins that may be the cause of the increase in neurological conditions.

May be, but are not.

It's not just the vaccines themselves as much as the solution in which they are prepared, at least that's my understanding. I linked a massive collection of studies that are looking into this.

Studies by people who have decided the conclusion ahead of time, done with little or no scientific rigor, and contradicting every major study on the topic, ever.

The jury is not out at all. If the jury was out, then there wouldn't be increasing number of health conditions affecting people.

You mean, how we are starting to get measles outbreaks in the US again?

Our toxic environment is spawning many health problems and pharmaceutical drugs are not preventing them, just treating them, often with many adverse side effects. Stop thinking you or the medical establishment knows it all -- they don't.

Everyone succumbs to some medical disease eventually. If you live long enough, you get cancer. Our environment is much less toxic than it was 200 years ago.

 

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There are numerous testimonies of people who were given up by doctors and told they should prepare to die and took the holistic treatment and cured themselves.

There are a small number that regressed, which can happen with no treatment at all (which is basically the same as holistic treatment, but let's pretend it is different). There are larger numbers that had surgery, chose not to have the follow-up radiation/chemotherapy, got a lucky dice roll on no recurrence, and credited woo instead of the surgeons that took out their cancer.

There is a series, The Truth About Cancer that goes into depth about holistic treatment.

It features lots of cancer and very little truth.

No one has a foolproof cure for cancer, conventional or alternative doctors.

True. However, conventional doctors increase your survival rate, and alternative doctors don't.