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Snyder and Co Reclamation Projects

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Burks is to playing as Corbin is to coaching. Corbin actually coached to Burks strengths (I should say the strengths Burks imagines he has) more than Quin. They were made for each other.

Burks is a bad player until he figures out that his primary scoring move should be the 3pt shot.
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So you're arguing the Jazz shouldn't try to reclaim him. Your enjoyment for arguing has led you past rationality here.
 
I would stay away from Okafor. I though I will never see worse defense that what Kanter provided until I saw Okafor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbf_AukNAn8
 
Okafor's defense does suck but that video just shows a player not trying or giving a ****. I dont think he will be a good defender but in the right situation he might put in effort and be okay on defense. He can rebound but has not put in the effort on the boards as well. I think he can be a serviceable backup big. But I also dont see how he fits with us.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Mario is kind of intriguing... I think the hate has gone too far on Okafor... I think he could be a good bench center but not a lot more.

I think Looney intrigues me the most of that group... not sure on his long term health, but i could see him as an athletic fast center with some shooting (maybe). We are covered at 4/5 though.
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It would be for next season, unless we traded for one now, which is a possibility. We have Udoh for next season but we are in need of 4s next year. Favors and JJ are UFA. We might keep both or one or the other but Looney could be a good fit off the bench. If he can shoot the three, play defense and rebound he could be amazing next to Udoh. I think Looney can play a little center but he is more of a PF.

I have no idea what Looney will be worth next year as a UFA. I guess it depends on what kind of an impact he has for GS the rest of the year.

What I dont understand is why GS would not have picked up his option and then traded him. It seems like he is worth something to other teams but no one wants to trade for a player about to become an UFA that is a project.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
If Burks should only shoot 3s. Then so should Mitchell. Their games are similar. Heck everyone should jack up threes. It will be like watching church ball with athletes not using any of their athleticism. If anything this year should show us that this analytics obsession is over played in the league.

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The church ball thing is spot on. I had to get on our team for this and we started taking the ball inside and we won just about every single game last year as a result. We watched them jack up 3s the whole game while we got one layup and short jumper after another. It was funny. But watching the other teams play (I did some officiating too) was hilarious to see these fat winded dudes running downcourt, a whole 30 feet, throw the ball around twice then someone just launches one that clangs off the backboard then go the other way, rinse and repeat. The one team that had any talent (a few guys who played college and high school ball) actually ran plays so it ended up being those 2 teams and us at the end.
 
There are plenty of times Burks is wide open and he pump fakes and drives only to pull out and take a bad midrange shot or go right into the D and throw up some garbage. Burks doesnt have the mentality of an off the screen dead-eye shooter and he should.
 
mellow said:
So you're arguing the Jazz shouldn't try to reclaim him. Your enjoyment for arguing has led you past rationality here.
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They are doing the perfect amount of reclamation on Burks now. 10-15 mpg is his sweet spot, just enough time to get hot and go on a nice run and not enough time to completely tank our defense or offense.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They are doing the perfect amount of reclamation on Burks now. 10-15 mpg is his sweet spot, just enough time to get hot and go on a nice run and not enough time to completely tank our defense or offense.
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This is the first time I have heard someone say that getting small doses of playing time that add up to 10-15 minutes in an entire game is a good way to get hot and go on a run.
I have always heard how it's hard to come in cold off the bench and get going and that's it's hard to find a rythm in little 5 minute stints of playing time.

Interesting take
 
fishonjazz said:
This is the first time I have heard someone say that getting small doses of playing time that add up to 10-15 minutes in an entire game is a good way to get hot and go on a run.
I have always heard how it's hard to come in cold off the bench and get going and that's it's hard to find a rythm in little 5 minute stints of playing time.

Interesting take
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You make it sound like Burks is out there for 2 minutes then getting pulled and going back in for 2 minutes. 5 minutes is enough to do something positive and prove you can take on an extra 1-3 minutes before getting pulled. If he doesn't he plays like 10 minutes, if he does, he can get up to the 15-18 range.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You make it sound like Burks is out there for 2 minutes then getting pulled and going back in for 2 minutes. 5 minutes is enough to do something positive and prove you can take on an extra 1-3 minutes before getting pulled. If he doesn't he plays like 10 minutes, if he does, he can get up to the 15-18 range.
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Like I said, I have never heard that 10-15 minutes over an entire game (with a dnp here and there) is a good way to get hot and go on a run.
It's an interesting take on things, no doubt.

And burks is shooting good percentages (career highs I believe) so maybe you are onto something.
Maybe quin should try it with some our guys that are struggling to shoot it as good
 
2013-14 burks would be almost ideal coming off the bench for us this year. Hard to believe he wouldn’t have improved even more without the injuries and lack of playing time.
 
I haven't followed any of their nba careers closely but from the little I've seen/remember, at the right price(s), Huestis, Hezonja, & Looney all intrigue me. Okafor can be a serviceable back-up big in the right situation imo but doesn't seem to fit the team culture.

With likely mid-late 1st rd draft picks for the foreseeable future, no surplus of high-end trade assets, a difficulty attracting top tier FA's, & being (likely/hopefully) a few years away from truly contending, the FO should explore all avenues in order to acquire as much young talent as possible.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Okafor's defense does suck but that video just shows a player not trying or giving a ****. I dont think he will be a good defender but in the right situation he might put in effort and be okay on defense. He can rebound but has not put in the effort on the boards as well. I think he can be a serviceable backup big. But I also dont see how he fits with us.
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Okafor is going to be the backup center anywhere he goes, so if he doesnt learn to bust his *** as a backup, he is going to continue to be a scrub. IDK why anyone should trust he learns to play defense getting starter minutes against starters when he doesnt try in limited minutes against backups.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Okafor is going to be the backup center anywhere he goes, so if he doesnt learn to bust his *** as a backup, he is going to continue to be a scrub. IDK why anyone should trust he learns to play defense getting starter minutes against starters when he doesnt try in limited minutes against backups.
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I dont think he is going to be a starter any time soon or maybe at all. I dont think most people do. But he is still young and has not been developed much with the 76ers. Between playing with garbage players around him, injuries and not being in the rotation I see why he lacks effort. Like a lot of young players he expected more of an opportunity. I think thats a bad attitude but its shared with a lot of players. He is kind of following Kanter's career path. I think on a new team he can be a solid scoring big off the bench.
 
gomretat said:
Burks is far from being a "bad player." There is a legitimate question about his fit on this team with regard to his style versus what QS wants and the bench depth that we have.
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He's not good enough to get much playing time and has no visible effect on the game this season. He's filler.
 
Rashad Vaughn also had his 4th year option declined by the Bucks. From what I've seen, he's a volume scorer who can't score.
 
zyzz said:
Rashad Vaughn also had his 4th year option declined by the Bucks. From what I've seen, he's a volume scorer who can't score.
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I think that makes him a volume shooter... not volume scorer.
 
Ron Mexico said:
It would be for next season, unless we traded for one now, which is a possibility. We have Udoh for next season but we are in need of 4s next year. Favors and JJ are UFA. We might keep both or one or the other but Looney could be a good fit off the bench. If he can shoot the three, play defense and rebound he could be amazing next to Udoh. I think Looney can play a little center but he is more of a PF.

I have no idea what Looney will be worth next year as a UFA. I guess it depends on what kind of an impact he has for GS the rest of the year.

What I dont understand is why GS would not have picked up his option and then traded him. It seems like he is worth something to other teams but no one wants to trade for a player about to become an UFA that is a project.
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They declined his option because it is like a million over the minimum. They can get former all stars with their minimum spots and I think minimum deals may have no or less of an impact on tax. Not 100% sure.

Basically Jordan Bell and McGee are better and if they waived his somewhat meager salary (by nba standards) it would cost them a lot more in actual dollars. A little shocked no one wanted to acquire him and keep the cheap option.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They declined his option because it is like a million over the minimum. They can get former all stars with their minimum spots and I think minimum deals may have no or less of an impact on tax. Not 100% sure.

Basically Jordan Bell and McGee are better and if they waived his somewhat meager salary (by nba standards) it would cost them a lot more in actual dollars. A little shocked no one wanted to acquire him and keep the cheap option.
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I understand they dont want to keep him but they have had good luck late in the draft with players and they are the cheapest way to fill slots. They could have traded him for a future pick, even a 2nd rounder is worth more than just dumping him. They should have opted in to his contract and traded him at the deadline.
 
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