So a year from now...

[idestroyedthetoilet]

You're kidding right? Republicans and conservatives have been the "nice guys" for way too long. Mitt Romney is the perfect example. Worst representative of Utah in a very long time. Always trying compromise with liberals, when liberals would kill him in a heartbeat if it would get them a win. Conservatives must fight before we completely lose the country.

I heard this from Rush Limbaugh 20 years ago. He had probably been chanting this call to arms for 20 more years before. The problem with this is not all republicans are conservative and conservatives don’t have monopoly on the party. Trump isn’t a conservative, he’s a populist.

Ruling by dictate is not conservative. Dictate strategic crypto reserve. Dictate end of NAFTA. Dictate private organization DOGE recommendations, against congressional mandates and rule of law. Supreme Court telling him no, no. Will he listen?
Open grift is not conservative. Crypto reserve grift for buddies. Pay to play dinners.
Humiliating Zelenskyy is not conservative. Requiring everyone to beg and grovel for favor is not conservative.
Selective, special tax loopholes such as tips and social security is not conservative. Standardized, fair tax policy is.
Tariffs are not conservative. Implementing them by pride and whim is not conservative.
Licking boots of dictators is not conservative.
Reneging on our promise to Ukraine is not conservative.
Proposing a budget that hollows out the tax base is not conservative.
Weaponizing the federal government to go after institutions, corporations, and citizens who have offended you is not conservative.

What has your fighting accomplished other than these anti-conservative ends? Republicans didn’t actually win as much as the DNC screwed up royally and gift wrapped a red wave. All this referendum on woke & DEI, it’s a feel good story to some but the bottom line is 20,000,000 democrats stayed home and another 20,000,000 moderate republicans were disgusted by the DNC’s attempts to subvert the democratic process and stayed home.

If gutting conservatism and using lawfare to achieve your ends is winning then have fun. It’ll only last two years before the tide turns and everything is undone and then some. This whole situation is built on Trump so it’s built on sand. It will wash away quicker than it was built. Then what of your preference for fighting and disrespecting and mocking instead of making your case with dignity in the court of public opinion?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Agreed. And when they bring the fight back they increase their fire power, hence Trump and project 2025. This along with everything Bourdain bright up is the cause for sure. Now what's the solution? How does Humpty Dumpty get put back together? That's the nearly impossible challenge right now and I think all of the above, knowing they brought this on themselves, is why the Democrats are struggling with a meaningful response. Because it means putting their standard moral-high-ground responses on the shelf, and even backpedaling when necessary, to gain any traction. And they just have no idea how to do any of that. They are still worked about making their hair and makeup look just so before leaving the burning house.

People aren’t stupid or naive. Trump does all the damage the dems need. He can’t help himself. His Nixonesque paranoia will get the better of him, and his Neville Chamberlain appeasement will not sit well. The gutless republicans afraid to speak out will be thrown out.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

...and his Neville Chamberlain appeasement will not sit well.

Yes, that is exactly what Canada and Mexico are thinking right now, that Trump is too eager to appease. The same goes for the Democrat Party who are in dismay at how much Trump is trying to appease them.

 

[PJF]

I heard this from Rush Limbaugh 20 years ago. He had probably been chanting this call to arms for 20 more years before. The problem with this is not all republicans are conservative and conservatives don’t have monopoly on the party. Trump isn’t a conservative, he’s a populist.

Ruling by dictate is not conservative. Dictate strategic crypto reserve. Dictate end of NAFTA. Dictate private organization DOGE recommendations, against congressional mandates and rule of law. Supreme Court telling him no, no. Will he listen?
Open grift is not conservative. Crypto reserve grift for buddies. Pay to play dinners.
Humiliating Zelenskyy is not conservative. Requiring everyone to beg and grovel for favor is not conservative.
Selective, special tax loopholes such as tips and social security is not conservative. Standardized, fair tax policy is.
Tariffs are not conservative. Implementing them by pride and whim is not conservative.
Licking boots of dictators is not conservative.
Reneging on our promise to Ukraine is not conservative.
Proposing a budget that hollows out the tax base is not conservative.
Weaponizing the federal government to go after institutions, corporations, and citizens who have offended you is not conservative.

What has your fighting accomplished other than these anti-conservative ends? Republicans didn’t actually win as much as the DNC screwed up royally and gift wrapped a red wave. All this referendum on woke & DEI, it’s a feel good story to some but the bottom line is 20,000,000 democrats stayed home and another 20,000,000 moderate republicans were disgusted by the DNC’s attempts to subvert the democratic process and stayed home.

If gutting conservatism and using lawfare to achieve your ends is winning then have fun. It’ll only last two years before the tide turns and everything is undone and then some. This whole situation is built on Trump so it’s built on sand. It will wash away quicker than it was built. Then what of your preference for fighting and disrespecting and mocking instead of making your case with dignity in the court of public opinion?

When did you become a flaming liberal?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Yes, that is exactly what Canada and Mexico are thinking right now, that Trump is too eager to appease. The same goes for the Democrat Party who are in dismay at how much Trump is trying to appease them.

You’ll have to come up with a better example than Trump bullying smaller, weaker countries. Unless you’re trying to display his paranoia. Fentanyl from Canada LMAO. speaking of, why can’t conservatives accept responsibility for America’s drug problems? Isn’t accepting responsibility a conservative ideal?

Do you agree with Trump bullying the weak? What about him freezing aid to Ukraine and cutting them off from intel sharing and satellite data. Do you agree with that because you have Ukraine’s best interest at heart like you claim? Does strengthening Russia’s military power by weakening Ukraine, making Ukrainian military members more vulnerable to air attacks and hastening Russia’s murder toll somehow benefit Ukraine?

Trump is causing Ukrainian casualties. By supporting Trump, you are by extension supporting hastening Ukraine’s demise. Are you going to be an honorable conservative and honestly own your stance here, or are you going to renounce these vile actions by Trump?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

When did you become a flaming liberal?

Why do you pretend to be a conservative? No conservative would claim this is her country that she must fight citizens to keep from losing it. Nor would they support the list of dictates above. Shall I start spamming articles from real conservatives over at Mises.org?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Are you going to be an honorable conservative and honestly own your stance here

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

 

[str8line]

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

Your stance? I'd wager you can't stand on one foot for more than 15 seconds. I'd actually bet a decent sum you're a slovenly crumb who's never had a love interest. Trump is your retribution. He's your payback to the world for your suffering.

Ukraine won't give away 20% of their country. That's not peace, moron. Peace is Russia getting the **** out of Ukraine and paying for all of the death and destruction they've caused.

 

[fishonjazz]

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

If your stance is that you want the war to end by zelensky agreeing to a peace deal and you support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured then you should have posted that you think trump should include security guarantees in the peace deal by now.

Your "stance" is a hollow lie though.

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[Red]

That is what the word 'fascist' means. The two things all fascism has in common are totalitarian dictatorship and nationalized economy. It is what you said.

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

 

[fishonjazz]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTJNy_OrjE

I mean its pretty obvious. Those who haven't got it by now, never will.

 

[Red]

I mean its pretty obvious. Those who haven't got it by now, never will.

Exactly.