Beantown
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Offsrping is a child produced by a male and a female.
Family is a combination of parents and children and can include extended relatives.
So gay!!!
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Offsrping is a child produced by a male and a female.
Family is a combination of parents and children and can include extended relatives.
prodigal punk
Member
If I understand you correctly, I could infer, by your logic, that an adopted child does not fit the concept of offspring? Further, you submit that we, as humans are completely subject to the laws of nature and not completely different beings from most animals in that we are capable of recognizing these laws and, in some ways, existing outside or "above" them?
KM32MVP
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That is correct, however, I fail to see where procreation was selected as a necessary requirement for marriage.
Beantown
Well-Known Member
Everyone is an offspring from a mother and a father. Being adopted doesnt change that.
Beantown
Well-Known Member
I never said it was. But the heterosexual relation is the only relation in which there are biological and evolutionary components.
KM32MVP
Well-Known Member
You stated, "My point is homosexuals cannot have sexual intercourse through direct sexual organ contact." This is obviously false, and I am not interested in expaining the obvious to you. If you can not visualize how two male homosexuals can have direct sexual organ contact, nor how two female homosexual can have direct direct sexual organ contact, I can only say you have severly limited visualization facilities.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Beanclown,
Do you believe people are actually gay or they're just doing it because it's trendy? In addition if you believe certain people actually are gay, do you think they were born that way?
Do you believe people are actually gay or they're just doing it because it's trendy? In addition if you believe certain people actually are gay, do you think they were born that way?
Since I wasn't alive during the debate for women's sufferage or interracial marriage I have no idea what sort of debate took place at the time and what sort of argument was put forth by the vying ideologies. I'll decline to wade into this mess. Let's stick with the topic at hand.
Regarding what type of proof would be needed, I could ask you the same question. What type of proof would you need to change your mind on supporting gay marriage? I don't suspect there is much anybody could do or say to sway those that have already chosen a side.
wangchung12
Member
The answer to this problem is the government needs to get out of the marriage business. Instead of issuing a marriage license the government issues a civil union "license" if you would to two consent adults. Then if said consenting adults want to get "married" they go to a church that will perform the ceremony. But in the governments eyes everyone would be in a civil union but the civil union would grant all the same protections under the law that the old marriage license system did. It seems pretty obvious it doesn't make anyone happy so it won't ever happen but it is the fairest way to do solve this. Making everyone feel "equal".
Because, after all, you support women's voting and interracial marriage, so you're not interested in applying teh same standard to it.
One of these would convince me:
1) A rational argument not based on religious principles
2) Solid evidence that there had been a serious effect in the countires that have had homosexual marriages, or some equivalent, for over a decade
3) The government getting out of marriage entirely.
Since one side is proclaiming different treatment, that side needs to justify the difference.