Solving For Tanking, We're smart, let's figure it out

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Being Anti Wheel because the Lakers might get a top pick while they are good is so stupid. Overly focused on a bad outcome while ignoring how much positive impact it would have for other teams and the on court product as a whole

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Imagine the Jazz knowing they don't have a top10 pick coming to them for four years. Sure, no use blowing it up - unless you get a guaranteed #2 pick and a guaranteed #4 pick etc. Maybe they blow it up even quicker?

There is no reason to blow it up unless a team is offering you their top pick in the upcoming wheel. Which again, is a positive because trade values are known and not a product of making your fanbase's hopes tied to low % chance outcomes based off injury luck of other teams

 

[Tanktastic]

Being Anti Wheel because the Lakers might get a top pick while they are good is so stupid.

No, being stupid is thinking that something that is anti leveling is in fact pro. Basic understanding severely lacking.

And I have no problem with the Lakers, great franchise, always arrogant to a point of it benefiting them (see: Luka).

But if the draft / lottery is replaced with something, I would expect all fans of small-market teams object to The Wheel, because it severely disadvantages them compared to the current situation. Which again, is awful.

There is no reason to blow it up unless a team is offering you their top pick in the upcoming wheel. Which again, is a positive because trade values are known and not a product of making your fanbase's hopes tied to low % chance outcomes based off injury luck of other teams

So your problem is not with the draft, but with the lottery?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Small market fans I'm sure love having to be awful for 5 years and banking on %14 chance odds

 

[silesian]

Fix the draft order for the next 30 years so that every team gets every pick. One team would get first pick year one last pick year 2, middle pick year 3, etc. Set draft position by one random lottery.

the illusory notion off parity, even if possible, is far outweighed by having teams rewarded for losing. It is a stain on the league.

 

[Park Bites]

What is instead of a wheel you jump back and forth say the jazz have the #1 the next year they pick #30. Next year #2 then #29. So forth.

Serpentine draft would help also.

A true minor league. Bottom 2 team drop to the gleague top 2 team to the nba.

 

[bopahull]

The reason the lottery was instigated was because teams were tanking to get the worst record which guaranteed they would get the #1 pick. Originally all teams in the lottery had the same odds in the lottery. This resulted in many good teams getting the top pick and bad teams getting the worst pick . this should have greatly reduced tanking for the worst record, but for some reason it was determined that it was unfair to the perennially bad teams so the league started dicking with the odds, rewarding teams for losing.
They could go back to the original lottery which would eliminate blatantly tanking for the worst record.
My other thought is to have a lottery for the first 5 draft slots that includes all NBA teams. Every team has the same odds. After that lottery the lottery for the remaining non playoff teams would commence with all remaining non playoff teams having equal chances. I think this would greatly reduce the incentives to tank.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What is instead of a wheel you jump back and forth say the jazz have the #1 the next year they pick #30. Next year #2 then #29. So forth.

Serpentine draft would help also.

A true minor league. Bottom 2 team drop to the gleague top 2 team to the nba.

You wouldn't give a team 1 and 2 in a 4 year span

You would need some kind of analytical value model to come up with the best order (which they have probably already done)

 

[NUMBERICA]

They could go back to the original lottery which would eliminate blatantly tanking for the worst record.

For the 1,000,000th time, that would create a scenario where teams on the margins of making the playoffs tank out of making the playoffs. We already see this on occasion, making that change would shift that phenomenon into overdrive and just shift tanking from the bottom of the league to legitimately competitive teams which is not better. Worse, it actively un-evens the playing field.

The notion that this is a simple fix is stunningly small-minded.

 

[JimLes]

For the 1,000,000th time, that would create a scenario where teams on the margins of making the playoffs tank out of making the playoffs. We already see this on occasion, making that change would shift that phenomenon into overdrive and just shift tanking from the bottom of the league to legitimately competitive teams which is not better. Worse, it actively un-evens the playing field.

I really don't think the one years Dallas maybe did this would suddenly lead to what would otherwise be 45-50 win teams tanking the last dozen games for a 7% chance at a top pick. Maybe I'm overly naïve here.

Also, regardless of whether the lottery is changed or not, I would love to see it restricted to the 10 teams that didn't make the playin or the playoffs.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I really don't think the one years Dallas maybe did this would suddenly lead to what would otherwise be 45-50 win teams tanking the last dozen games for a 7% chance at a top pick. Maybe I'm overly naïve here.

Also, regardless of whether the lottery is changed or not, I would love to see it restricted to the 10 teams that didn't make the playin or the playoffs.

Dallas absolutely did that (they got fined for admitting it) and Chicago is trying it right now.

I would advocate for the Jazz tanking if they were fighting to be the 8th seed, too. No chance at a title vs a 21% chance at top-3 is a no-brainer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

****** team draft is still the ticket.