Solving For Tanking, We're smart, let's figure it out

[fishonjazz]

Also, players can opt out of the draft after the draft lottery. The ability to not get drafted by a team who gets #1 already exist.

Good point. Maybe that would need to be changed in tandem with the new system. You must declare pre draft lottery and if you do declare then there is no going back.

 

[fishonjazz]

The only way to fix tanking and do away with it is to do away with the need for tanking, which means you put every team in the lottery with equal odds of winning the number one pick regardless of what that team‘s record is. It’s literally the only way there are no quick fixes other than that. It doesn’t matter about fair play all that matters is the product and that star players play a full season.

The wheel fixes tanking as well. Your pick is the same regardless of your record. Its predetermined.

 

[fishonjazz]

The only way to fix tanking and do away with it is to do away with the need for tanking, which means you put every team in the lottery with equal odds of winning the number one pick regardless of what that team‘s record is. It’s literally the only way there are no quick fixes other than that. It doesn’t matter about fair play all that matters is the product and that star players play a full season.

Actually remove the word "lottery" and it does fix tanking. Every team has equal odds at every pick. Regardless of playoffs or no playoffs.
But there are a ton of crappy consequences to that which might be worse than tanking.

 

[fishonjazz]

Actually, sorry if I missed this, but why not take first round picks away if the nba or some outside team outside the nba decides you tried to tank. Maybe even taking multiple picks away.

Because then you are letting a human decide who is tanking and who legitimately sucks or has legit injuries. No bueno.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No but if boozer/peterson/dybantsa weren't in next years draft then I could see it happening. In other words, no flagg probably wouldn't but that doesn't mean no one would in the future. Especially since NIL is just getting going. We dont know what NIL deals will look like in 10 years.

NBA contracts will also increase in 10 years. NIL will never be enough to be a logical decision to not get picked #1.

 

[slc]

Somebody please explain the wheel idea
I missed that

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Because then you are letting a human decide who is tanking and who legitimately sucks or has legit injuries. No bueno.

It's probably a bad idea, but maybe it could help. The type of tanking I'm concerned about is pretty obvious, like sitting a healthy Walker Kessler. What the Jazz have done this year is being obvious. There should at least be some deterrent to what we are doing this year.

You could have a league doctor for each team that reviews medical information to make sure injury reports are legit. You could have a panel of people that help make the decision on violations, maybe each team gets a representative to make sure it's fair. The consequences could start with a fine, then move to losing draft positioning, then to forfeiting picks.

It's not my favorite option, to be clear, but it feels like there is a way to do it that would help.

 

[slc]

I like the idea of the lottery for every team every year
If best team wins it so be it
But no team can win it back to back or whatever rule is decided
That may eliminate tanking

 

[fishonjazz]

It's probably a bad idea, but maybe it could help. The type of tanking I'm concerned about is pretty obvious, like sitting a healthy Walker Kessler. What the Jazz have done this year is being obvious. There should at least be some deterrent to what we are doing this year.

You could have a league doctor for each team that reviews medical information to make sure injury reports are legit. You could have a panel of people that help make the decision on violations, maybe each team gets a representative to make sure it's fair. The consequences could start with a fine, then move to losing draft positioning, then to forfeiting picks.

It's not my favorite option, to be clear, but it feels like there is a way to do it that would help.

Im nodding my head as I read this.

 

[fishonjazz]

I like the idea of the lottery for every team every year
If best team wins it so be it
But no team can win it back to back or whatever rule is decided
That may eliminate tanking

It definitely eliminates tanking to do it that way. Also eliminates the best way for a team that sucks to improve though.

 

[idiot]

Also, players can opt out of the draft after the draft lottery. The ability to not get drafted by a team who gets #1 already exist.

The wheel uniquely allows prospects to know what the draft landscape looks like the following year, and thereby make a better informed decision about the pros/cons of staying another year. As it is now, the top picks can basically only count on the prospect that if they don't come out one year, a new set of crap teams will be in position to draft them the following year. There's less motivation to return to college now than there could be with certain wheel scenarios.

(That said, I think the wheel is still one of the better options I've heard).

 

[slc]

It definitely eliminates tanking to do it that way. Also eliminates the best way for a team that sucks to improve though.

Maybe the lottery is only for the #1 pick
After that team with worst record gets the #2 and rest of draft is team record