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Some on here say that the players won't tank.

I usually neg every post nocononjazzfan makes, but I gave him a pass on this one. Fortunately I found another post he made that was him being his normal jackass self, so it all worked out in the end.
 
Core4 said:
I disagree with you a bit green.

1. Careers aren't extended by games, they're calculated in years. Sitting out 20 this year doesn't mean they'd extend their career for the first 20 games of their last season and then not play the remaining 62.

2. If a player "quits" in March, that definitely would hurt their value. Most players are dinged up as the season progresses. Now there's a difference between minor and major injuries. Certainly if they're truly hurt, you sit them. If they have a sprained ankle, they should come back and play. Otherwise teams flag their durability.

3. Progression. Doesn't it stand to reason these guys should continue to get better as the season goes along? The last quarter of the season SHOULD be better than the first 20 games. Hayward has certainly followed that pattern.

4. The value for Favors and Hayward is NOT set in March. It's set in July when one or more teams (other than the Jazz) start talking offer sheet. And the BEST way to establish value is to go out and DOMINATE those teams you face. Last 20 games is the final chance to "submit your resume" to the 15-18 different teams you play during that stretch. Teams like Dallas, LA Lakers, Orlando, Detroit, New Orleans: Jazz face all those teams over the last 20 games and all could have an interest in signing either, especially if one had a real "statement" game against them.
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Tough to argue this m
 
Agree or disagree, this thread filled up a couple of days and got the posts moving.

And got troutbum in here too. Love you.
 
Okay, say it gets down to the end of the season. Hayward sees the writing on the wall and knows five wins will be the difference between playing with Wiggins/Parker/Randle (AND attracting top talent because of that pick) and playing with Mitch McGrady.

How many of you are really going to be pissed if he misses a few free throws in tight games or throws a pass away to set the Jazz up with Favors-Kanter-Wiggins-Hayward-Burke-?
 
green said:
I keep repeating this, and will continue to do so, because some of you aren't comprehending. What happens the last 25 games of the season has ZERO bearing on what type of career Hayward/Favors will have.

You ask what kind of team values players that quit? How can the Jazz judge Hayward/Favors on that this year, when they are the ones that quit first and put them in that situation?

No one is stealing Favors' and Hayward's spotlight and pushing their value down. Come March, people's minds will have already been made up.
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Any player that believes what you're saying is in for a huge disappointment when the time comes to negotiate his next contract.
 
franklin said:
Okay, say it gets down to the end of the season. Hayward sees the writing on the wall and knows five wins will be the difference between playing with Wiggins/Parker/Randle (AND attracting top talent because of that pick) and playing with Mitch McGrady.

How many of you are really going to be pissed if he misses a few free throws in tight games or throws a pass away to set the Jazz up with Favors-Kanter-Wiggins-Hayward-Burke-?
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If I believe it was intentional then yeah I'd be upset.
 
I would never ever tank, as a player. Wouldn't care what the coach or team owner want me to do.
 
Whoever said that tanking is an organizational decision from the top down had it exactly right. The players won't be able to decide to play through nagging injuries. They'll simply end up inactive. Corbin will be evaluated on more than wins and losses, but if he continues to show how to best utilize the young core. . . he should be gone. A terrible bench is a clear way to lose games, and the Jazz went out and bought one of the worst in the league. The coach and the players have to give everything they have because their jobs are not secure if they do otherwise. I expect to see players pulled and held out for minor injuries and weak lineups getting lots of minutes together (creating a totally different challenge for the young core.)

Ty Corbin is the biggest facilitator of the tank. He's under orders to play and develop the young guys. He loves playing veterans, but DL got rid of all the players he would have liked to rely on. He's forced to play the young guys. Giving him a young roster with a crappy bench is the best way that they could have forced the tank. And they picked up some quality assets in the process.
 
Ellis269 said:
Ty Corbin is the biggest facilitator of the tank. He's under orders to play and develop the young guys. He loves playing veterans, but DL got rid of all the players he would have liked to rely on. He's forced to play the young guys. Giving him a young roster with a crappy bench is the best way that they could have forced the tank. And they picked up some quality assets in the process.
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But then the Jazz traded for players that Corbin will fall in love with (Jefferson/Biedrins) and don't forget we still have Marvin on the team.
 
akirac73 said:
But then the Jazz traded for players that Corbin will fall in love with (Jefferson/Biedrins) and don't forget we still have Marvin on the team.
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I think this is a dramatic over exaggeration. Millsap, Mo and Big Al are worlds better than Biedrins and Rich Jeff. TO equate the two is silly.

If by some chance Corbin does play Biedrins, Williams, Rush and Rich Jeff over the youth then he should be fired.
 
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