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Some props for DL from SI - NBA free agency: Winners and losers

Cappy_Smurf said:
Right, I'm the idiot because I don't constantly cry like a little bitch about the Jazz FO. Maybe someday can be Einstein brilliant guy like punkphlembottombum and cry like little girl about Jazz. Then I be cool like you?

BTW, even though crappy smurf support Jazz FO 90% of time, Crappy did trash FO for not starting rebuild sooner and losing Alsap for nothing. Crappy did this before KOC step down, and crappy knows KOC step down over big mistake that crappy foretold. Crappy tells it like it is, either way, and crappy gets tired of complainers who cry all the time, even when FO doing a good job. Right now, they doing a good job. Deal with it, and find something else to cry about, k?
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Maybe. Keep try k?
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Yeah, but DL totally blew it by not signing mediocre talent last year. You know, because mediocre talent was such a bargain. I'm all for praising DL, but we should probably fire him anyway.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, Jazz never do nothin and all they care about is making money.
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you're one of the best posters on this site, but this post is trash. Strawman + childishly shuts off certain perspectives that had good points for the thrill of shutting down all dissenting opinions. Pretty gross. You can leave last offseason in peace, since even Lyndsey admitted to playing it too conservatively. And I'm certainly done with it at this point.

au revior
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Right, I'm the idiot because I don't constantly cry like a little bitch about the Jazz FO. Maybe someday can be Einstein brilliant guy like punkphlembottombum and cry like little girl about Jazz. Then I be cool like you?

BTW, even though crappy smurf support Jazz FO 90% of time, Crappy did trash FO for not starting rebuild sooner and losing Alsap for nothing. Crappy did this before KOC step down, and crappy knows KOC step down over big mistake that crappy foretold. Crappy tells it like it is, either way, and crappy gets tired of complainers who cry all the time, even when FO doing a good job. Right now, they doing a good job. Deal with it, and find something else to cry about, k?
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the previous quote wasn't "telling it like it is". Not even close.

ciao
 
SCS said:
July 2009.
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The Jazz weren't rebuilding. Totally ****ing amazed that is your point. Furthermore, that you choose THIS as your gripe, at THAT time especially. Millsap was one of the best contracts in the NBA over it's time. Not sure what your phobia is with having very good players.

To reiterate, the Jazz were not rebuilding, and this wasn't the decision that created a domino effect of bad ones.
 
SCS said:
Exactly what I was referencing. Does DL continue on the path he's been on, re-sign Hayward to a ridiculous contract that puts us in cap hell, and assures that we will never be more than a playoff team.... OR does he make a preemptive strike on the situation, move Hayward while he's at the peak of his value, and get a pick/young player that might be a star piece and could eventually bring the bulk of our young core to a championship. He had a golden oppurtunity at the draft for that necessary preemptive strike and he passed it by. I agree completely with you.
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Hayward's contract may be ridiculous in some absolute sense, but that is what, moving forward, the Jazz will have to pay for ANY Tier 1 or top Tier2 player. Anyone they get to replace him, that's anywhere near as good, will command the same price, unless you want to go the youth route perpetually.
 
SCS said:
1) Millsap was not a good deal given circumstances of that team. Going over the luxury tax to keep a redundant piece when the team is in need of a few players to get over the hump isn't a good idea

2) To keep a star player happy, a leader of our franchise... Yes.

3) Under performance? A multi time all star? A guy who helped lead us to the Western conference Finals? A gold medalist in the Olympics? Yeah we got Al but it was a hollow attempt at replacing Booz and the chemistry that team had. Major downgrade.

4) Explained above. Downgrade.

5) He didn't verbally demand or ask for a trade, but those outbursts with coach Sloan didn't happen for no reason. He wasn't happy with the situation at all. The outbursts were him basically saying it without saying it. Which is exactly how the team interpreted it obviously.

6) They were both bad. Kirilenko's damaged our ability to improve that Deron/Memo/Booz core because of the large amount of money. Millsap's was equally bad because it pushed us over the tax furthering the same problem.
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What the **** are you talking about? Irrational Millsap hate is rampant in our fan base, but I have never seen anything quite like this.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The Jazz weren't rebuilding. Totally ****ing amazed that is your point. Furthermore, that you choose THIS as your gripe, at THAT time especially. Millsap was one of the best contracts in the NBA over it's time. Not sure what your phobia is with having very good players.

To reiterate, the Jazz were not rebuilding, and this wasn't the decision that created a domino effect of bad ones.
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Rebuild was a poor choice of words on my part. In the sentence I meant that they had just rebuilt. His contract is my gripe at that time. That group was close. If the team moves Millsap for the right pieces, they have a chance. Instead, their obsession to holding on to a redundant piece of the roster put them in a bad spot. I have no phobia of keeping good players. I have a phobia of keeping good players if it's the wrong situation (financially or when it comes to building a roster). Millsap was one of those times.
 
It was VERY apparent when Boozer was let go that he was not an answer. A Boozer led team could not compete against the length of the Laker's front line. He folded like a card table and basically became a wuss who sat out games with a hangnail. Couple that with his famous quote about "getting paid" regardless. You gonna continue to build a team around that guy? He then went to Chicago and did exactly jack and squat.

A far more devastating issue was Okur's injury. Once he went down, semi-permanently, we were kinda screwed. Our spacing disappeared and we just didn't have the shooters to recover. People criminally underrate Okur on this board.
 
NAOS said:
you're one of the best posters on this site, but this post is trash. Strawman + childishly shuts off certain perspectives that had good points for the thrill of shutting down all dissenting opinions. Pretty gross. You can leave last offseason in peace, since even Lyndsey admitted to playing it too conservatively. And I'm certainly done with it at this point.

au revior
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ROFL. NAOS is going to talk about how being childish shuts off certain perspectives? You can't make this stuff up.

And it's Lindsey fwiw, adult.
 
framer said:
It was VERY apparent when Boozer was let go that he was not an answer. A Boozer led team could not compete against the length of the Laker's front line. He folded like a card table and basically became a wuss who sat out games with a hangnail. Couple that with his famous quote about "getting paid" regardless. You gonna continue to build a team around that guy? He then went to Chicago and did exactly jack and squat.

A far more devastating issue was Okur's injury. Once he went down, semi-permanently, we were kinda screwed. Our spacing disappeared and we just didn't have the shooters to recover. People criminally underrate Okur on this board.
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This is true. Can you imagine a healthy Memo with Big Al? That would've been a pretty dangerous team.
 
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