Something specific to watch for with Kanter

[Dr. Jones]

Nothing so far surprised me about Kanter in last game. His lack of lift and explosiveness was already no news to me but it is just more exposed playing vs NBA talent. He got away with that somewhat vs inferior competition in Eurobasket ( struggled vs contenders) but in NBA he will struggle every game unless he adjusts and learns quickly. He has no left hand or at least he does not trust to use it in game situations ( I saw him making layups and short hooks with left in his predraft workout video, haven't seen so far a single left handed attempt in any of his real games). He needs to learn to pass out of the post if he can't get good shot - he failed to do it yesterday. But I can give him props for trying hard, effort and rebounding well. I was thinking he will play only 10 min a game this season but Okur's trade and numerous blowouts Jazz will be involved opens playing time for him so he should get better and better as he gains experience.

For your sake, I hope you're right and he fails in the NBA. Afterall, this is just a game and it's not worth any fan (even you) to start cutting themselves or becoming suicidal. I'm pulling for ya, guy, and for Kanter to be the busts of all busts .. just hang in there.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Nothing so far surprised me about Kanter in last game. His lack of lift and explosiveness was already no news to me but it is just more exposed playing vs NBA talent. He got away with that somewhat vs inferior competition in Eurobasket ( struggled vs contenders) but in NBA he will struggle every game unless he adjusts and learns quickly. He has no left hand or at least he does not trust to use it in game situations ( I saw him making layups and short hooks with left in his predraft workout video, haven't seen so far a single left handed attempt in any of his real games). He needs to learn to pass out of the post if he can't get good shot - he failed to do it yesterday. But I can give him props for trying hard, effort and rebounding well. I was thinking he will play only 10 min a game this season but Okur's trade and numerous blowouts Jazz will be involved opens playing time for him so he should get better and better as he gains experience.

AKMVP posts fail to surprise me anymore. Cant believe Im saying this, but I miss Sloanfeld. At least he was entertaining, as far as absurd-homers go.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So serious question. Aren't negreps similar to positives in that you have to spread them around? If they are, AKMVP is really spreading them around based on my negs from him.

And to answer your question, AKMVP (from said negrep), we are discussing Kanter's pros and cons .. don't I have the right to call you out for being a hater, just like sepanol gets called out for being a homer?

 

[LogGrad98]

How many more games is Kanter allowed to go 1 for 7, missing mostly easy bunnies before we everyone gets mad? Half a season? A whole season? 2 years?

Maybe, at least more than one game? Idk.

 

[LogGrad98]

To me he needs to just shake off the jitters, and not be afraid of the big boys under the basket. That first possession where he faked out Gasol under the rim, if he had just gone up strong and dunked that bitch he would have drawn a foul too. As soon as he does this (it took Hayward about half the season last year) then it looks to me he will have a real shot to grow as a player into something potentially dominant.

 

[MVP]

lol, I love how instead discussing weak or strong points of the player somebody turns this into pissing match. Maybe I should stop pointing to obvious flaws of Kanter's game or giving him props for things he does well and just post simply - he sucks, or he is all-star, or he is god, lol.

 

[MVP]

And to answer your question, AKMVP (from said negrep), we are discussing Kanter's pros and cons .. don't I have the right to call you out for being a hater, just like sepanol gets called out for being a homer?

I am not hater. I am doubter. I could hate O'Connor for making wrong pick but whats to hate about Kanter? He did not ask Jazz to draft him. I even feel sorry a bit for him as there is huge chip on his shoulder for being drafted so high and some unrealistic expectations from fans here. But kid works hard and so far showed me good effort which may turn him into decent NBA player despite his limitations.

 

[Deleted member 848]

lol, I love how instead discussing weak or strong points of the player somebody turns this into pissing match. Maybe I should stop pointing to obvious flaws of Kanter's game or giving him props for things he does well and just post simply - he sucks, or he is all-star, or he is god, lol.

The fact that you have not ONCE mentioned that he led both teams in rebounding, when three of the premier rebounders in of the NBA are playing with/against him is where you lose credibility. To respond to the negreps you keep sending my way, we fail to address any point you make, because there is no point in responding to anything you say, if you really are NOT impressed that Kanter had 11 rebounds in ~20 minutes. Sepanol is definitely the only poster who could've predicted Kanter rebounding in the double digits in his season preview, especially against the Lakers. At least with other homers on the board, I can sorta get the sense that they're just trolling. With you, I cannot think of any reason why you perennially suffer from unbelievable confirmation bias. I don't want this to become a pissing match, I am just explaining why I didn't properly "respond" to your post.

 

[LjJazzman]

Coming into the game I was for sure more on the Kanter Hater side then Homer. Now I'm probably more on the homer side.

Coming into the game I had my little goals for all the players. Kanters was to get at least 10 boards and he did that so I'm happy. His lack of lift scares me but hopefully he will learn to use his body when he goes up for shots as well as he does using it to box out. By put backs and free throws alone he should be able to get 10 points per game rather easily I'd think. Once the game slows down for him and he learns how to pass the ball a little quicker he will be a very nice player.

 

[NCJazz]

Coming into the game I was for sure more on the Kanter Hater side then Homer. Now I'm probably more on the homer side.

Coming into the game I had my little goals for all the players. Kanters was to get at least 10 boards and he did that so I'm happy. His lack of lift scares me but hopefully he will learn to use his body when he goes up for shots as well as he does using it to box out. By put backs and free throws alone he should be able to get 10 points per game rather easily I'd think. Once the game slows down for him and he learns how to pass the ball a little quicker he will be a very nice player.

Kevin Love aint exactly a hopper, so I think he will be fine.

 

[orangello]

Coming into the game I was for sure more on the Kanter Hater side then Homer. Now I'm probably more on the homer side.

Coming into the game I had my little goals for all the players. Kanters was to get at least 10 boards and he did that so I'm happy. His lack of lift scares me but hopefully he will learn to use his body when he goes up for shots as well as he does using it to box out. By put backs and free throws alone he should be able to get 10 points per game rather easily I'd think. Once the game slows down for him and he learns how to pass the ball a little quicker he will be a very nice player.

I agree that his lack of lift is concerning but there is another player that I would point to that has no lift either. Luis Scola. I am not saying that Kanter has the same offensive ability that Scola has but he has a similar game. As soon as Kanter learns how to use his body to protect the ball while going to the rim/creating space, he will be a great weapon on this team. When thinking about Scola keep one thing in mind, he entered the NBA when he was 26 or 27. Kanter is entering the NBA at 19. Give him time to develop and he will be a player that Jazz fans are happy to have around.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I agree that his lack of lift is concerning but there is another player that I would point to that has no lift either. Luis Scola. I am not saying that Kanter has the same offensive ability that Scola has but he has a similar game. As soon as Kanter learns how to use his body to protect the ball while going to the rim/creating space, he will be a great weapon on this team. When thinking about Scola keep one thing in mind, he entered the NBA when he was 26 or 27. Kanter is entering the NBA at 19. Give him time to develop and he will be a player that Jazz fans are happy to have around.

Good post. Also, it's not like Kanter doesn't already have an offensive game. He just has to let the game slow down for him, get his confidence up, and we'll see it start to emerge soon enough.