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Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

Gameface said:
Yeah, so can your stomach stop turning then? Since we agree on the cause?
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That depends on your position to address the issue. If your position is to have a stricter set of gun laws for impoverished black neighborhoods then my stomach is still churning. I would also want to remind everyone that we tried that. If your position is to do outreach and make legal gun ownership more accessible to blacks, providing the quality policing we seem to find everywhere but in poor black neighborhoods, and address the larger social problems blacks face, than I'm with you.

It was not my intention to single you out. I did however want to address a position that seems to have become more popular recently(different rules for different folks). I suspect you lean more towards the latter than former.
 
Gameface said:
The education, in my opinion, should be a HS level class. It would first demonstrate the way in which various types of guns function....

Week two, knowing how it functions, how does one ensure they are acting in a safe manner when in the presence of or when handling a gun....

What constitutes legitimate self defense with a firearm. What doesn't. How can one avoid situations where a person would have a legitimate reason to shoot them. Stats on how often firearms are used legitimately for self defense.... Stories of negligence that resulted in the death of innocent people.

The use of firearms for purposes other than self defense. Where is one allowed to target shoot. Proper etiquette when target shooting outdoors or at a shooting range. Safety while using firearms for hunting.

Statistics on firearm fatalities. The use of firearms for criminal activities. What additional penalties one faces when they commit a crime with a firearm. The increased likelihood that you will be shoot if you are using a firearm illegally. More images of shooting victims, Stories from people who used firearms illegally and what the consequences of that were.
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I honestly think that some of this could/should be taught to children as young as first grade, or younger. Most schools teach "stranger danger" and personal safety even to very young children (ie, when the firetruck visits and the kids learn "stop, drop and roll")

Points to cover would include how guns can be used by police and others to help protect people, but how they also hurt and kill people. Show pictures of guns, including those that may look like toys but are real guns. Teach kids to ALWAYS assume any gun they see is a real gun. Teach them NEVER to touch a gun - and what they should do if they see someone with a gun, or if they find a gun somewhere.

As kids get a little older, maybe middle school age, they should be taught how to respond to police officers or security personnel even if they know they have not done anything wrong. This should be taught in conjunction with the local police - - again, I think many schools already have some sort of "Officer Friendly" program in place to help children understand the work of the police and how to interact with them.
 
I have to be honest, the only reason I would want compulsory gun education is because it would do nothing but entrench gun rights and create more gun right advocates later on in life. I don't know what percent of anti-gun folks are simply afraid of touching a gun or even looking at one, but it seems to me a very large chunk of them simply fear out of lack of familiarity. That's pretty common of people no matter what the subject or action is.
 
franklin said:
I have to be honest, the only reason I would want compulsory gun education is because it would do nothing but entrench gun rights and create more gun right advocates later on in life. I don't know what percent of anti-gun folks are simply afraid of touching a gun or even looking at one, but it seems to me a very large chunk of them simply fear out of lack of familiarity. That's pretty common of people no matter what the subject or action is.
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Fathers teach your daughters to shoot.

Srsly I can't imagine carrying a gun on my person. I'm a 30 year old white dude that lives in Utah and can handle myself in a fight. The number of people that could or would victimize me is too small to make the inconvenience of carrying worth it. I carry a pocket knife that is a tool and a small flashlight both come in handy and reduced the number of people that could victimize me even further. If I was a woman, a member of a minority group, disabled, old, or lived in a violent place I would definitely carry.

If I could waive a magic wand and change American gun culture it would be to change the image of a typical gun shop customer from someone like myself to people that need the protection. I think education would be a good step in that direction.

For my part my daughter is almost 10 and has shown herself not only to be a good shot but also strictly adheres to gun safety rules, She's going to get an upgrade from a BB gun to a pellet gun this xmas. Around 12 I imagine she should be ready for a .22 and when she is a teenager I will buy my first handgun for her to get comfortable with. Will I teach my son to shoot; yes. Will I buy a handgun for him to use; No.
 
franklin said:
I have to be honest, the only reason I would want compulsory gun education is because it would do nothing but entrench gun rights and create more gun right advocates later on in life. I don't know what percent of anti-gun folks are simply afraid of touching a gun or even looking at one, but it seems to me a very large chunk of them simply fear out of lack of familiarity. That's pretty common of people no matter what the subject or action is.
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i touched some homosexual gay man. i hugged a homosexual gay man. but i still think govenrment should stay the **** out of marriage. maybe i should get more familiar with homosexual gaymen
 
I can't decide what's more awesome: A Jazzfanz thread about gun control, or a Jazzfanz thread about Joseph Smith. Thank god I never have to choose.
 
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