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Sorry Jazz fans – Ben is the NBA Rookie of the Year

Ron Mexico said:
But I did find out in this thread that 15ppg is scoring at will so apparently the NBA has 50+ players that can score at will. So he has that going for him.
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You think "Scoring at will" is the same as "number of points scored per game"? You are much too smart to think these things.
 
Et tu Brute said:
I think you're grading him on a curve.

A helluva lot of assists are dribble hand-offs and 'simple' passes to the right man etc. I have already admitted to this being part of his 'inflated' assists.

He also threaded some neat passes to players directly under the net. At least 4-5 in the playoffs so far.

He also has gravity where he pulls defenders off their opponents - sometimes just an extra step as they are hedging a little on clogging the lanes. Ben dissects that pretty well.

He also had two putbacks off his own misses in the first game. So his 5/13 was a bit misleading. It's like darts. If you have 3 darts to hit your double and you do it with your third dart, the result is still the same.

I don't hear you breakdown his defense much. He almost never gets scored on. And players often shift the ball away from him when he is matched up with them. He has a strong deterrent factor. He literally guards 1-4 in almost equal allotments and can guard some 5s.

LOL at the comments about free throws. When he misses them he is derided - now that he has made a respectable 11/16 it is stat padding. Give me a friggin break.

He finished a number of imposing drives tonight, and was generally unstoppable. I am convinced he doesn't realize how difficult he is to contain when he rumbles into the paint. The refs are calling some bs offensive fouls on him recently.

Across the 2 playoff games he has clearly been the best player in that series.
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Of course I'm grading him on a curve, I said he had a subpar game and he did. That is obviously in comparison to himself. I'm not comparing him to a 10 day contract player.

I don't think this is responding to me.

I did talk about his defense.

I said multiple times his free throws were good both games and looked good.

But if you think he said clearly the best player game 1 then there is no convincing you. You will see what you want to see with you Simmon's glasses on. Stats and the eye test don't back that up.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I'm making fun of him for claiming Simmons scores at will but only averages 15 ppg.
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Well, "at will" may be a bit strong, but generally, I agree with him. Simmons easily gets into the paint and scores over defenders. He just chooses to prioritize facilitation over scoring.

Very different players, but Stockton could have regularly scored 20 ppg. We saw this when he chose to take over games (game 6 Houston). But he felt his team would be better with the assists.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Of course I'm grading him on a curve, I said he had a subpar game and he did. That is obviously in comparison to himself. I'm not comparing him to a 10 day contract player.

I don't think this is responding to me.

I did talk about his defense.

I said multiple times his free throws were good both games and looked good.

But if you think he said clearly the best player game 1 then there is no convincing you. You will see what you want to see with you Simmon's glasses on. Stats and the eye test don't back that up.
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Christ this thread is *****, Ron got any thoughts on the cricket?
 
silesian said:
Well, "at will" may be a bit strong, but generally, I agree with him. Simmons easily gets into the paint and scores over defenders. He just chooses to prioritize facilitation over scoring.

Very different players, but Stockton could have regularly scored 20 ppg. We saw this when he chose to take over games (game 6 Houston). But he felt his team would be better with the assists.
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That's not scoring at will. If Simmon's could score at will then he would take over games offensively. He would put up big numbers. Getting into the paint easily isn't scoring at will.

Maybe it's just how you define scoring at will though.

No one can score at will but chooses not to in the NBA.
 
Kevin Garnett - one of the meanest, toughest, manipulative players on the court had praise for Mitchell:

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ell-Kyle-Collinsworth-highlighted-on-TNT.html

"During his weekly "Area 21" show on TNT, the 15-time All-Star specifically noted how Mitchell has shouldered huge responsibility in leading the Jazz in scoring this season, and the former Minnesota, Boston and Brooklyn big man also loved Mitchell's "rookie" sweatshirt he wore last week to Utah's game against the Golden State Warriors.

"I like Donovan Mitchell, man, just because of the effect," Garnett said. "Most rookies take time to grow into something...Man, he is in it. He is in it.""
 
Ron Mexico said:
Of course I'm grading him on a curve, I said he had a subpar game and he did. That is obviously in comparison to himself. I'm not comparing him to a 10 day contract player.

I don't think this is responding to me.

I did talk about his defense.

I said multiple times his free throws were good both games and looked good.

But if you think he said clearly the best player game 1 then there is no convincing you. You will see what you want to see with you Simmon's glasses on. Stats and the eye test don't back that up.
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You think the shooters had better games. Ok I can live with that 'analysis'.

Couldn't find anything you said about his defense... Maybe it was in another section of this thread.

I think you have biases too bro... Like this Simmons 'hate' has nothing to do with propping up Mitchell lol
Different players. Both incredible - which you repeatedly state. Just feels like you are annoyed that Simmons is getting more 'GOAT' talk than Mitch.
 
Et tu Brute said:
You think the shooters had better games. Ok I can live with that 'analysis'.

Couldn't find anything you said about his defense... Maybe it was in another section of this thread.

I think you have biases too bro... Like this Simmons 'hate' has nothing to do with propping up Mitchell lol
Different players. Both incredible - which you repeatedly state. Just feels like you are annoyed that Simmons is getting more 'GOAT' talk than Mitch.
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Neither Simmons or Mitchell is getting goat talk, so that is a moot point. But yes I like to give you and other Simmons homers a hard time for being unreasonable. Such as thinking Simmons is in a GOAT conversation. Yes, I find it slightly annoying that you and utahjazzz post more about Simmons than about the Jazz who is your supposed favorite team, but I know a lot of it is just trolling. But mostly I like talking about him and showing his flaws that he has a bunch of because you guys loose your minds about it and freak out. So yes, some of it is trolling from me but I guess some of you cant take your own medicine.

I definitely have biases, every sports fan does. I like certain players more than others. I like the Jazz more than other teams and 76ers more than any East team. That makes me watch those teams and scrutinize players more and cheer for them more when I like them.

You are the one who thinks you dont have any bias for some strange reason.

There is no stat from game 1 that shows Simmons was the best player on the court. His teammates played at a very high level. Reddick and Belinilli were incredible and Saric was very good that game. +/-, PER, net rating and so on all show that Simmons had a low impact that game in comparison to his teammates and it was very obvious watching it. But I guess you already admitted that I could be right on this or at least its a reasonable conclusion so I guess we can move on.

I don't hate Simmon's. But between his quotes, his on court elbows and shoulders and more importantly homer fans like you he is hard to cheer for. Thankfully I really enjoy Embiid and his personality and think 76ers coach is great and has a great system. Brown has done wonders for Simmons as well stat wise and have a great team around him. I want him to help the team win though. I feel similar with Simmons that I used to feel with Boozer when he was on my favorite team the Jazz.

You are right it was in the other thread I talked about his defense, my bad. I get all these threads you Simmons homers like to talk about him in. Simmons is a good defender but he was subpar in that first game. He stood around flat footed and lost his guy a few times and got beat off the dribble more than usual. Again for your clarification he was still good but subpar for his usual defense.

He was much better game 2 all around except the final couple minutes when he was useless.
 
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