carolinajazz
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...what I want to know is how can he make 22 million per season and shoot less than 30% from three point land! And what knot-head owner would pay him that much to do that little???
Sounds like the Players need to give back a little.
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...what I want to know is how can he make 22 million per season and shoot less than 30% from three point land! And what knot-head owner would pay him that much to do that little???
Agreed. It is amazing how many do not yet realize the accounting craziness that goes on these days with the fat cats. They have a zillion loopholes to make profit look like loss.
That said, there needs to be some fix to the contract situation. These long term guaranteed contracts are nuts.
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It's like normal businesses.
You have one person who puts pressure on another, so that extremes occur, which screw up the whole company.
Example: The owner puts pressure on the GM to win or else. As a result, the GM feels pressure to give ridiculous contracts to average players, like AK, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, Iggy, etc.
the GM cannot lose these players, or else his head will be put on a skewer. Yet, by dishing out large sums of money, the GM retards his franchise's ability to progress, and creates this mess of exponentially increasing players salaries.
You see the same crap at the college football level.
The President/alumni can put pressure on the AD... Or the AD/alumni put pressure on the coach. The coach then cheats, "forgets to report infractions", and does everything possible to WIN (at any expense).
In all my job experience the question hasn't been IF we stand by ethics. It's how far can you push ethics before you actually can get in trouble.
The same issue with sports. We're always going to extremes. Players demanding extreme contracts. Owners demanding the extreme. GMs feeling pressure to WIN BIG NOW or else.
Everyone is dirty. The owners, GMs, and players are at fault.
However, as a fan for a small market team, we need a CBA. Not only to help us small market teams compete against the big boys. But to sadly, protect us from ourselves. A few years ago, people were wanting to extend Boozer, Memo (which was done), give Duron the max (which was done), keep Millsap, keep Wes, and still somehow add pieces. We, as a franchise, cannot survive this. We cannot pay the LT.
So sadly, the new CBA needs to protect teams like the jazz, from themselves. We're not Dallas or Mark Cuban. We need something in place to prevent us from signing AK like contracts... Or from going crazy with money and signing Boozer, Memo, and Duron to huge contracts. Going too far over into the LT.
You have one person who puts pressure on another, so that extremes occur, which screw up the whole company.
Example: The owner puts pressure on the GM to win or else. As a result, the GM feels pressure to give ridiculous contracts to average players, like AK, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, Iggy, etc.
the GM cannot lose these players, or else his head will be put on a skewer. Yet, by dishing out large sums of money, the GM retards his franchise's ability to progress, and creates this mess of exponentially increasing players salaries.
You see the same crap at the college football level.
The President/alumni can put pressure on the AD... Or the AD/alumni put pressure on the coach. The coach then cheats, "forgets to report infractions", and does everything possible to WIN (at any expense).
In all my job experience the question hasn't been IF we stand by ethics. It's how far can you push ethics before you actually can get in trouble.
The same issue with sports. We're always going to extremes. Players demanding extreme contracts. Owners demanding the extreme. GMs feeling pressure to WIN BIG NOW or else.
Everyone is dirty. The owners, GMs, and players are at fault.
However, as a fan for a small market team, we need a CBA. Not only to help us small market teams compete against the big boys. But to sadly, protect us from ourselves. A few years ago, people were wanting to extend Boozer, Memo (which was done), give Duron the max (which was done), keep Millsap, keep Wes, and still somehow add pieces. We, as a franchise, cannot survive this. We cannot pay the LT.
So sadly, the new CBA needs to protect teams like the jazz, from themselves. We're not Dallas or Mark Cuban. We need something in place to prevent us from signing AK like contracts... Or from going crazy with money and signing Boozer, Memo, and Duron to huge contracts. Going too far over into the LT.
NotDeadYet
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Well, if I'm losing money by doing something, I'd stop doing it too. Quite simply, if the owners haven't been MAKING money in prior seasons, what possible motivation could they have for playing another season under the same conditions? If I was an owner, I'd want expenses cut, and paying the players is the #1 expense. If the players don't want to "give in", they all got th $$ to survive, thanks to THE OWNERS; none of them will starve...
I understand the players are a big part of the teams, and they should be paid well for that, but the owners are just that... the owners.
In the real world it is the owners that take the risk burden for owning a company, and it is the owners that get the payout when it goes well. Employees get their salary, and if the owners are nice they also may get a profit-sharing as incentive to help the company be profitable.
When it comes down to it, the owners are who lose their shirt if the company/team goes down, and the players still get paid.
If the players want to act like owners, then they can take the risk like owners, and get paid like owners.
In good years they can go ahead and split the profit 50% to the owner, and the remaining 50% to go to players and coaches.
In the bad years the players and coaches can take their minimum salary (which will be much less than they make now) and use that as incentive to do better. I'm sure they can work out bonuses for records, playoffs, and all that. Of course there would have to be some sort of audit done on the books to ensure the owners aren't hiding profit.
Ok, despite my longwinded soapbox story, I think the players need to give ground... but that is my opinion based on little detailed information on the issues.
In the real world it is the owners that take the risk burden for owning a company, and it is the owners that get the payout when it goes well. Employees get their salary, and if the owners are nice they also may get a profit-sharing as incentive to help the company be profitable.
When it comes down to it, the owners are who lose their shirt if the company/team goes down, and the players still get paid.
If the players want to act like owners, then they can take the risk like owners, and get paid like owners.
In good years they can go ahead and split the profit 50% to the owner, and the remaining 50% to go to players and coaches.
In the bad years the players and coaches can take their minimum salary (which will be much less than they make now) and use that as incentive to do better. I'm sure they can work out bonuses for records, playoffs, and all that. Of course there would have to be some sort of audit done on the books to ensure the owners aren't hiding profit.
Ok, despite my longwinded soapbox story, I think the players need to give ground... but that is my opinion based on little detailed information on the issues.
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Basketball_Romantic23
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Moe is actually "Sis", not "Bro".
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thanks! haha, On both accounts!
The thing is these reports were prepared by certified audit firms and players don't actually question the validity of the "teams lose money" statement. They say "you are ****ty businessmen then" instead.
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I think anyone wanting to label the players as villains is wrong.
#1 Anyone in any career tries to get the most out of it as soon as they can. If a teacher is making 30k they'll want 40k. If a doctor is making 100k he'll want 150k. And so on. The players aren't looking at what one can live on. Neither to most Americans. In fact, I'm guessing most Americans could "live on" 20k per year. They'd just have to deal without having phones, multiple cars, 3000 sq foot homes, 4 bathrooms, eating out multiple times per week, plasma tvs, sat tv with a billion channels to not watch, 10 computers, etc.
What the players are looking at are two things...
a. What other players are making
b. How much the overall sport is making
there's a lot of money in the NBA. Without the players, what is this league? So why shouldn't they get their "fair share" of the pie? And I'm not even going to start to guess on what a "fair share" is...
#2 The owners, aren't innocent either. Perhaps Cuban and the rest of the owners should have made a pact. Instead of trying to buy up the best players and outspend each other, perhaps they should have maintained a commitment to keep player salaries down. Instead of offering AK the max, offer him 30 million. And other owners would understand the Jazz's position and wouldn't offer AK more. Just imagine how different the league would have been?
The players have some ridiculous points. As do the owners. Neither is the victim and neither is totally evil.
#1 Anyone in any career tries to get the most out of it as soon as they can. If a teacher is making 30k they'll want 40k. If a doctor is making 100k he'll want 150k. And so on. The players aren't looking at what one can live on. Neither to most Americans. In fact, I'm guessing most Americans could "live on" 20k per year. They'd just have to deal without having phones, multiple cars, 3000 sq foot homes, 4 bathrooms, eating out multiple times per week, plasma tvs, sat tv with a billion channels to not watch, 10 computers, etc.
What the players are looking at are two things...
a. What other players are making
b. How much the overall sport is making
there's a lot of money in the NBA. Without the players, what is this league? So why shouldn't they get their "fair share" of the pie? And I'm not even going to start to guess on what a "fair share" is...
#2 The owners, aren't innocent either. Perhaps Cuban and the rest of the owners should have made a pact. Instead of trying to buy up the best players and outspend each other, perhaps they should have maintained a commitment to keep player salaries down. Instead of offering AK the max, offer him 30 million. And other owners would understand the Jazz's position and wouldn't offer AK more. Just imagine how different the league would have been?
The players have some ridiculous points. As do the owners. Neither is the victim and neither is totally evil.
Mission Accomplished
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Player need to realize that they are not the only employees that NBA teams have. Who is out to negotiate for the ushers, venders, ticket brokers, etc. Point being owners bear all of the costs. It cost to pay for everything.
Also, why in the hill of beans in Fisher talking for players in their primes like the Lebrons.
Also, why in the hill of beans in Fisher talking for players in their primes like the Lebrons.
I don't think that would happen. Ever.
Each owner has his/her own agenda. Each wants to win a Championship. If the system has a loophole whereby you can take advantage of it to achieve that goal? They'll take it.
You're right in that neither is the victim and neither is totally evil. But they need to come together and get the 'system' right, so that it's fair for everyone (be it making money or winning).