Source: Utah is Negotiating with Brewer
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I'm with Honz. i love Brewer and his dangly arms. i really missed his dunks and reverse lay ups towards the end of last year. In a back up role you wont have to worry about his shooting. All you need him to do is play D, bring energy and finish. I'm disguisted with the Brew Crew hate
InGameStrategy
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Were people outraged for our trading Brewer? Even though I was a Brewer booster for years, the emergence of Matthews with a minimally passable jump shot and defensive ability made Brewer less essential. Oh, and Utah got a first-rounder out of it, too.
That being said, I wouldn't mind having Brew back for 2 or 3 million annually, although i'd much prefer having WM. But almost $7 million per year (on average) is a steep price. If Utah can get Tolliver and Brewer for the same cost as Matthews, I think that you go for the 2 for 1 special, even if each of the two is less than the one.
The bigger hit was losing Eric Maynor. Backup PGs are a dime a dozen; good backup PGs are not.
Darkwing Duck
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I'd be happy at 2 for 4, Shaggy.
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Isn't this oversimplifying the situation? I remember many posters upset that we couldn't package him up with Boozer. I remember many posters upset that we didn't get hardly anything out of the Brewer trade. Maynor was traded for cap relief and then Brewer. Didn't that send the wrong message to the fans?
I think at the time he was traded there were still some questions about Wesley Matthews. I think at the time people were upset at the trade, we still had Korver on the team.
I just think that people don't really see Ronnie Brewer as much of a help right now since our centers are either terrible (or injured), Deron is our only outside shooter, and Boozer is gone.
I also think that Wesley's outside shooting helped show Jazz fans what can happen when we play 3 on 5 (like when Brewer and kiri played together). I for one don't believe we would have beaten Denver had Brewer been our starting SG instead of Matthews. I think that Wesley's position defense won over a lot of fans rather than Brewer's gambling defense.
I think there are also a lot of fans that just want to see change now. Even if it means tanking this next season.
I'm not necessarily taking a side, since I honestly do see positives to both sides (now). But I do believe that your post was an oversimplification of the whole situation.
I am not suggesting he will in fact turn out to be a one year wonder nor do I think there is no risk in other deals. What I am saying is that there is ADDITIONAL risk in giving Wes a contract that big, because he only had one solid year in NBA. Not even a great year, but OK, solid year.
Hopper
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And here I got the impression that you had been around Jazzfanz for a spell, eh, Honzy? Who's doin it wrong? The Jazz, whatever they do, caincha see?
InGameStrategy
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What risk would that be? I'd call re-signing WM as a pretty low-risk deal. He seems to be a character guy, a hard worker, an athlete, and a player with potential--just one year in the NBA. More in the mold of Millsap. AK, Boozer, Okur, and Ostertag are players who would be more at risk to dog it after they get a big contract. And they did.
Utah should let Matthews go only if they can get a viable starting SG elsewhere for less. Lots of teams play two or three or four times as much for their SG. Go through the NBA's starting lineups; maybe better players elsewhere, but 300% better? I say no.
Matthews is at around CJ's level, and it took Wes only one year, vs. 3 or 4 years for CJ. That's a positive sign to me. Right now, Matthews is probably a more focused Brewer defensively, and he has a jump shot. Any player who is respectable on both ends of the floor is worth considering.
Could someone look up team stats during the Brewer Era of the 09-10 season, and post Brewer stats? I know they wouldnt be 100% telling, but Im just interested in the teams offensive and defensive numbers.
If you really compare Wes to CJ, you have to look at his College career, because they are the same age. And Wes was not very good until his senior year. He broke through when he was 22 - same age CJ had his first solid NBA season (a year ago). So, comparison to Miles is actually right on the money. The difference is that Matthews contract is more than double than that of CJ.