South China Sea

[franklin]

I agree Babe it is serious. China has pushed us into a corner. Now we can either stand up and be a man so to speak or bow our heads and let china have their way.

The Phillipines wont even stamp chinese passports directly because the chinese are putting a territorial map on the passports that shows their unrecognized claims.

China is betting the US will do nothing and so far they have been right. Wake the **** up!!!

Let me give you this from an economic perspective.

This is the reason we've been trading china a bunch of paper for their low skill junk. We own these bitches now that they've become dumb enough to hinge their economy on ours.

If china gets frisky then we shut off all imports, the allies discontinue shipping them metals, coal, food, & oil, and we congratulate them on holding how ever much trillion plus treasuries that we are now not going to pay them anything for. China knows this of course & that's why they are fighting for international relevancy while digging for meaningful trade power with other players.

It's rare that the commie leaders say this but this is exactly why they say they hate us. We are too damn powerful and there is nothing they can do about it because we've game planned them into a corner. Their only strength is sending hordes of citizens armed with sticks & stones back through N. Korea, the Iran relations & such, or finally giving in by democratizing the nation. Too bad Israel is badass and would chimp chop Iran pretty quickly as long as they don't have nukes -- that's key.


As far as their navy goes....well, ours would have a good laugh at those rafts.

 

[Stoked]

It's not the Chinese navy that I am worried about. I am worried about their computer hacking abilities and the damage they might do to infrastructure here in the US. Damage to things like cell towers and power grids.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I appreciate all these conversations, but our daily-increasing debt is the one thing that is quickly (if not already) becoming the no-way-back issue. I have at least 50 friends that are $100MM+ guys .. and NONE of them are cavalier about what is going on. ALL of them are in almost a coma like phase .. knowing America is done. They are making moves not for their personal investments, but to protect their grandkids from a country that will have a far inferior identity from what they grew up in ..

make fun all you want, but there are REALLY smart people that have moved beyond concerned to it's over .. and it's not politics, it's economics.

 

[Hotdog]

Im not afraid of anyone shorter than me.

 

[franklin]

I appreciate all these conversations, but our daily-increasing debt is the one thing that is quickly (if not already) becoming the no-way-back issue. I have at least 50 friends that are $100MM+ guys .. and NONE of them are cavalier about what is going on. ALL of them are in almost a coma like phase .. knowing America is done. They are making moves not for their personal investments, but to protect their grandkids from a country that will have a far inferior identity from what they grew up in ..

make fun all you want, but there are REALLY smart people that have moved beyond concerned to it's over .. and it's not politics, it's economics.

3 deep level funny right here.

 

[babe]

Does the U.S. claim any bodies of water similar to this?

Well, at a level of complete, absolute ignorance about world affairs, I have to give you credit for recognizing US hegemony over virtually the whole world, via our lackey UN organization. Similarly, at a comparable level of understanding about Asian population I can see your point about how since you can't tell the difference between Asians how could anyone else.

The fact is, we haven't been "our own nation" since the Civil War, the watershed of actual liberty which, while being loosely associated with a supposed advancement in civil liberty for the black slaves, was also the foot in the door for British interests which became prominent in banking and the various robber baron cartels. While the nominal "robber barons" were "Americans" at the head of these organizations, the money behind them, and the philosophy behind them, was a new outreach of British Imperialism. As a result, today our various leading "interests" influential in American politics are generally quite the reverse of "American" and quite the tweedle dee to the twiddle dumb of British interests. And following from than, the UN is really pretty much the British ideal of oligarchy and sophisticated management of world affairs through puppet stooges.

The whole problem with the "New World Order" ideal of world governance is the fact that some of the "stooges" have become the gorillas in the bedroom of world dominance, and do in fact realize that their power is sufficient to re-order the whole "family" under their overt tyrrany.

And I bet you won't be too happy with how that works out.

Do nothing to defend the status quo in the South China sea, and it will be impossible to do anything about it anywhere else.

 

[babe]

Let me give you this from an economic perspective.

This is the reason we've been trading china a bunch of paper for their low skill junk. We own these bitches now that they've become dumb enough to hinge their economy on ours.

If china gets frisky then we shut off all imports, the allies discontinue shipping them metals, coal, food, & oil, and we congratulate them on holding how ever much trillion plus treasuries that we are now not going to pay them anything for. China knows this of course & that's why they are fighting for international relevancy while digging for meaningful trade power with other players.

It's rare that the commie leaders say this but this is exactly why they say they hate us. We are too damn powerful and there is nothing they can do about it because we've game planned them into a corner. Their only strength is sending hordes of citizens armed with sticks & stones back through N. Korea, the Iran relations & such, or finally giving in by democratizing the nation. Too bad Israel is badass and would chimp chop Iran pretty quickly as long as they don't have nukes -- that's key.


As far as their navy goes....well, ours would have a good laugh at those rafts.

This is an excellent, concise, rationale for western arrogance, mediated by "our" institutions like banks or the UN. From an oriental or more particularly Chinese view, however, it looks like vulnerability.

Before the Korean War, the Chinese studied MacArthur as the relevant man in Asia, and saw him as arrogant, hence vulnerable, and decided they could take him on. He did indeed prove vulnerable, not militarily but politically, and we ourselves unseated him as the relevant "man" in China, and showed ourselves to lack the will to achieve our national interests in Asia.

 

[DutchJazzer]

nuke china to kingdom come

 

[babe]

nuke china to kingdom come

C'mon Dutch. I understand the intellectual laziness that's involved in just being this ignorant. Sometimes beer is just more important than manners.

But we can't do that without entombing ourselves in a planetary dust cloud that would last twenty years and freeze us out of existence, even if China and/or Russia had no ability to return fire. And besides, whatever else you can say about the Chinese, they are the best and hardest working people on this planet, and aside from their cultural conformance obsessions, probably the smartest too.

The British have known for centuries that their only chance to dominate China is to dope them up and control their trade, and saddle them with an insane western political ideology called marxism. Looks like they've sprung loose from the Brit trap after all. Wish I could say the Americans have done as much.

If we were really smart, we'd edge the Brits out of influence in China, and shoe-horn American liberty in, and call them our allies.

Come to think of it, that's what we should do in the Middle East, too.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I wonder what kind of effect this will have on the flow of jobs being outsourced to China.

 

[franklin]

3 deep level funny right here.

Another drunk post that didn't come across as intended. It wasn't meant in an offensive way PeeK.

This is an excellent, concise, rationale for western arrogance, mediated by "our" institutions like banks or the UN. From an oriental or more particularly Chinese view, however, it looks like vulnerability.

Based on your POV I suppose. Of course both the leaders of both nations have drilled down strategy-counter strategy to the same consise point. I could troll this with a sarcastic comment on being worried dead cold about America having to make our own t-shirts and pencils again, but I think you get the point. If China actually has an advantage here then you're going to have to outline what it is to persuade me.

Also, there's always the "hot money" flow issues China would have to deal with.

 

[Beantown]

screw the south china sea.