Spidy on Royce

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  1. homeytennis

    homeytennis Well-Known Member

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    From the Athletic:
    "He’s worked tirelessly on his skills, attempting to develop from the 3-point line, which has given him the option as a floor spacer offensively. Those attributes are reasons he may find himself anointed a starter for the first time in his career. “He’s very strong, he has great feet and balance,” Jazz teammate Donovan Mitchell said. “He doesn’t reach and he’s composed. His physicality and mentality is great. He understands what’s expected of him. “His preparation and instincts separate him. He could be one of the best defenders in the league, he really has those tools.”
     
  2. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    Awesome but "anointed as starter"? In place of whom?

    Besides that, he's got all the tools to be a legit player in this league. Next step is consistency.
     
  3. rjfan

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    stills too early to know, even more as there's still the fiba wc, start of camp, preseason games and all, but one already well mentioned possibily is that ingles goes to a 6th man role (that closes out games)
     
  4. NUMBERICA

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    He would be the 4. I think that's very much in the realm of possibility. I think starting 4 is going to be fluid, but it could well be that Royce is the default.

    Ingles would come off the bench.
     
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  5. JazzyFresh

    JazzyFresh Well-Known Member

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    That would be fine with me but I'm not overly sold on him being a most time 4. I think Quin starts one of the new guys(Green) at the 4 and has Ingles and Royce man the second unit while sprinkling them in with the starting unit depending on the situation.
     
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  6. NUMBERICA

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    We'll see. My initial impression would be that Green would technically be the starter (but not the closer), but some of the rumors suggest that Royce might get the job.
     
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  7. JazzyFresh

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    Yup, I guess we'll see. If Royce can take that starting 4 position it would mean he earned it and that would just make us that more dangerous. I'm pretty skeptical at this juncture though but hope he proves me wrong.
     
  8. kabenac

    kabenac Well-Known Member

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    Glad Royce is working hard. When he's on the floor I always tend to watch him for stretches as he always seems to know exactly what's going on and never seems caught off-guard. That and he's always trying to make plays on offense as he's a team player. Watching him play in person is a lot of fun.
     
  9. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    Wait, but according to Thee Jazz Fan, Bolomboy is better. I'm confused :D
     
  10. Douchebag K

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    what's Royce's rebounding like, can't say i noticed so far ?
     
  11. Carbon13

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    If Royce is our 4 then I’m just gonna come out and say that the power forward position is dead. Everyone is just playing with 3 wings now.
     
  12. idiot

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    Better than any of our other options (unless you want to start Davis).
     
  13. idiot

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    He's already legit, I'd say. The defense is superb.

    I agree that added consistency would be good, but maybe even more so the next step ought to be increased usage. I'm not sure what he's capable of here, but his very good efficiency last year was built on one of the league's lowest usage rates (4th lowest among the 183 players who played 1500+ minutes). So he's entirely a specialist now (though very good at what he does).
     
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  14. NUMBERICA

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    If he's getting that starting spot then the Jazz should really try and lock him in for a decent rate. I feel ~$10 mil per would both be fair and team-friendly, maybe front-load it.
     
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  15. Ron Mexico

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    I don't think there is much of a size difference between him and Jae Crowder. Crowder probably had a little more bulk, but I think Royce is more athletic and better wingspan. They are both the same height.
     
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  16. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Royce is an upgrade to Crowder in most ways at PF. He's a better defender and a better shooter. They both hustle a lot.

    We'll see about rebounding. Crowder averaged 8.5 rebounds per 100 possessions last year to Royce's 8.2. My guess is Royce rebounds even better this year, especially from the PF spot.
     
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  17. idiot

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    Players who don’t fit as a “wing” in either game or size with at least a chance of starting at PF this year:

    Millsap
    Z. Collins
    AD
    Looney (unlikely, but possible given GS’s dearth of wings)
    Aldridge
    Griffin
    Giannis
    Bagley/Bjelica
    Porzingis
    Zion
    Horford
    Siakam (wing or PF size?); Ibaka might even get a few starts depending on wing production/health
    Everyone on the Knicks
    Possibly (though not likely) someone on the Wolves: Vonleh, Bell, for example
    Markkanen
    Love
    J. Collins
    JJJ
    Saric

    Plus plenty of other more “true” PFs will be used at the PF off the bench.

    So I think reports of PF’s demise are a bit premature.

    How many of the above do we want Royce guarding? I guess that’s a different question.
     
  18. idiot

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    Hope you end up being right. But the big difference (that doesn't really touch on the issue of the position played) is that Jae was willing and able to put up shots while Royce is extremely reluctant. Maybe it won't matter much with Conley and Bogdanovic on the court, but Royce won't be guarded as much as Jae was on the perimeter until he proves with some volume that he'll burn a team that leaves him open.
     
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  19. Jingled

    Jingled Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    If he's in the starting lineup then Mitchell, Conley and Bogdanovic will provide more than enough offense so it won't really matter that Royce is reluctant to shoot. I'm also not sure I agree that Royce won't be guarded on the perimeter as much as Jae was. Jae didn't take a lot of contested shots, a lot of teams purposely left him and Rubio open because they knew they weren't good shooters. Royce shoots a much better percentage from 3 than Crowder did so if teams don't won't to guard him then he can make them pay.
     
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  20. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Jae shot terrible though.
     
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