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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Rubio is back tomorrow or the next game.
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So I guess he made it back before AS break.

Unless Neto or Exum are back we will still see more point DM against some better teams.
 
LoPo said:
Now I'm a weirdo? Cy, do you realize I even like some of your posts regardless of You being You? You know why? Because I can be objective. If somebody makes a good point, I like it.

You are right, the defense has trended up since December. It is the main reason we have played better. But isn't it also true that the best defense we have played all year has been while Rubio has been out? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Remember, this isn't personal for me like it seems to be for you. And if you are wrong on this (our D has been even better without Rubio), own it.

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It's only one metric but the Jazz' DRTG in December was 100.6 (2nd in the league in December) while so far in January it's been 101.7 (1st in the league in January).
 
Sandman822 said:
It's only one metric but the Jazz' DRTG in December was 100.6 (2nd in the league in December) while so far in January it's been 101.7 (1st in the league in January).
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So without Rubio and Exum, we are 1 point worse on D than in December. Good to know. Thanks.

With Mitchell in the starting lineup, arent our defensive numbers substantially better?

And with our blowouts lately, final scores can be misleading. Like against Cleveland when we let them make it look more respectable in the 4th quarter due to Grayson, Cavanaugh, Naz lineups.

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LoPo said:
So without Rubio and Exum, we are 1 point worse on D than in December. Good to know. Thanks.

With Mitchell in the starting lineup, arent our defensive numbers substantially better?

And with our blowouts lately, final scores can be misleading. Like against Cleveland when we let them make it look more respectable in the 4th quarter due to Grayson, Cavanaugh, Naz lineups.

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Current starting lineup is 88.4 DRTG, lineup with Crowder in for Favs is 79.1 DRTG. Very small sample size and like Cy has mentioned numerous times it's against mostly inferior competition so it's hard to know just how much noise is in those numbers.
 
Sandman822 said:
Current starting lineup is 88.4 DRTG, lineup with Crowder in for Favs is 79.1 DRTG. Very small sample size and like Cy has mentioned numerous times it's against mostly inferior competition so it's hard to know just how much noise is in those numbers.
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You gotta play who you play. I'm so tired of the opponent excuse. Just another example there can always be a stat found to prove or disprove any argument. Sure it helps to play easier teams, but we have had plenty of easy opponents early in the year where we struggled.

Regardless, losing all 3 PGs would lead to issues on almost every team. The fact that we haven't missed a beat and have actually started better makes me think we would be better down the road. Given a longer sample, my bet is we would beat those better opponents just the same.


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LoPo said:
So without Rubio and Exum, we are 1 point worse on D than in December. Good to know. Thanks.

With Mitchell in the starting lineup, arent our defensive numbers substantially better?

And with our blowouts lately, final scores can be misleading. Like against Cleveland when we let them make it look more respectable in the 4th quarter due to Grayson, Cavanaugh, Naz lineups.

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Because the Jazz had no blowouts in December....
 
Are we also better defensively without Dante?

This argument is just so daft and based in a willful ignorance against context and facts.
 
People say I argue just to argue, but we got dudes trying to say we are a better defensive team without two of the better defensive players in the NBA. Real galaxy brain meme stuff.
 
LoPo said:
You gotta play who you play. I'm so tired of the opponent excuse. Just another example there can always be a stat found to prove or disprove any argument. Sure it helps to play easier teams, but we have had plenty of easy opponents early in the year where we struggled.

Regardless, losing all 3 PGs would lead to issues on almost every team. The fact that we haven't missed a beat and have actually started better makes me think we would be better down the road. Given a longer sample, my bet is we would beat those better opponents just the same.


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You can't ignore the current schedule and say "I'm so tired of the opponent excuse" if we're also going to say things like "the Jazz have had the hardest schedule in the league so far" prior to this stretch. It goes both ways and to just brush it off to suit your narrative isn't really being objective.

The usual starting lineup with Crowder in instead of Favors is far better statistically than either one of the starting lineup variations with Mitchell so far as well on the offensive end (114.8 ORTG for our most played lineup vs 109.8 and 102.2 ORTG for the Favors and Crowder variations of our current starting lineup respectively). If you're going to not discredit the level of competition for our defense then where is all the talk about how our usual closing lineup is far superior offensively than either one of our current Mitchell at PG starting lineups?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Are we also better defensively without Dante?

This argument is just so daft and based in a willful ignorance against context and facts.
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I said that the defense being close to the same level despite not having Exum and Rubio was impressive. If we had Exum and no Rubio, I bet our defensive stats would be amazing.

My points are simple Sandman and Cy - without all 3 PGs, we have stayed strong regardless of competition. If we lost Gobert, we would have taken a step back regardless of competition. If we would have lost Mitchell, we would have taken a step back regardless of competition.

This thread is talking about starting Donovan at PG. I think we have been awesome the last few weeks regardless of competition. If he had a whole preseason or a longer stretch preparing as a starting PG, I think we become even better as a team. Regardless of competition.

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Off Rtg. of our latest opponents:
Magic #26
Lakers #21
Bulls #30
Pistons #23
Clippers #11
Cavaliers #24
 
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