Stupid Pet Peeves

[LogGrad98]

What of the us flag to native americans?

This is America where we gloss over as many uncomfortable truths as we can. As long as we can go eat at a buffet at one of their casinos we're all good, right?

 

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Str8line is triggered

Don't be such a snowflake. Engage in the ideas instead of dismissing them.

 

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What of the us flag to native americans?

Go on. What of the US flag? Are there sizable groups of Native Americans that find it offensive? If so, since the country will have a flag regardless, do they have recommendations to improve the situation?

Or, was this just another thoughtless whataboutism?

There a (perhaps stupid) pet peeve; whataboutisms.

 

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[idestroyedthetoilet]

People who muck up the stupid pet peeves thread.

 

[LogGrad98]

Go on. What of the US flag? Are there sizable groups of Native Americans that find it offensive? If so, since the country will have a flag regardless, do they have recommendations to improve the situation?

Or, was this just another thoughtless whataboutism?

There a (perhaps stupid) pet peeve; whataboutisms.

Does it have to be sizable? At what size of offended group does it become unacceptable?

 

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Does it have to be sizable? At what size of offended group does it become unacceptable?

I'm sure you can find individuals who are offended by any particular symbol you can name. As the offensiveness of the symbol rises, so does the number of those who find it offensive.

Much like obscenity, you have to know it when you see it.

 

[Gameface]

my stupid pet peeve is that there are a few pretty simple words I just cannot reliably spell correctly. Separate is one of them and restaurant is another.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm sure you can find individuals who are offended by any particular symbol you can name. As the offensiveness of the symbol rises, so does the number of those who find it offensive.

Much like obscenity, you have to know it when you see it.

That's all true But you didn't
answer the question .

 

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That's all true But you didn't
answer the question .

My answer was, "you have to know it when you see it". Hard-and-fast rules, like a specific count or percentage, don't help meaningfully. For example, if my neighbor objects to me flying one particular flag or another, and they can speak to why it creates pain for them, I might take that down for one person. A US military base should not have the same standard for the US flag.

With regard to the Confederate battle flag, the heritage of the South pre-Civil War was, for the most part, the same as the heritage of the North, with the exception of slavery and all the societal institutions supporting it. Revering that heritage is revering what slavery made the South into. I'm not a Native American and don't speak for them, but I don't see where the US flag plays a similar role for Native Americans.

 

[Rubashov]

First hot day of summer, took a medieval beating off work. Must have covered a minimum of 20kms today, feeling beat.

 

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That's all true But you didn't
answer the question .

The United States flag represents the United States. We exist. We are a nation. We have our history and much of it is not good. There are valid reasons why a person would not like the American flag, but all nations have flags and use them mostly in the same ways. Because we are actually an existing nation we can work to become better and to make our flag represent better things. But ultimately we are who we are and we have to accept that and live with it. If someone is offended by our flag then they can figure out how they want to deal with that.

That is different than flying the flag of a nation that no longer exists, one whose existence was mostly about preserving the "state's rights" to allow slavery. That history is sealed and cannot be changed. The Confederate States existed to enable slavery as an industrial institution to continue. So if you're flying that flag you are showing your support for a nation that was soundly defeated by the United States and eliminated from existence, and to support a nation whose sole purpose of being was to preserve slavery is to show some fondness and nestalgia for slavery.

Much the same is true for the Nazi flag. You can't fly that flag and say it's because you thought they were really snappy dressers.