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Summer 2019 Roster Discussion

I think Mirotic might come kind of cheap and I still think he'd be a particularly good fit here.

Plan A is Tobias and the more I think about it, the more I don't think it's even close. Throw the kitchen sink at making that happen. If it doesn't, pivot to absorbing Griffin or Conley while combing the market for solid FA pieces with priority on the 4, then the 1, then the wing. Informally allocate the smaller of the room exception or remaining cap on a backup 5 (Dedmon would be perfect). Keep an eye on 2021 in all circumstances that doesn't yield a bona fide star.

Mirotic fits into one of those scenarios.
 
LoPo said:
I think guys like Randle and Bogdanovic will be looking for $20 per year. Jabari got that last summer and he never played like Randle last year.

Randle is such a good fit on so many different teams. At Phoenix with Ayton, at Dallas with Porzingis, at NOLA next to Zion, at Utah with Gobert, at Brooklyn, etc.

He will get $20 this summer. The question is, would you rather have Tobias at $33, Randle at $20, Jabari at $18, or Mirotic at $15.

As for proven value and age, Randle at $20 is pretty strong. $13 million is a lot of money to play with.

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Jabari got one year and a second year non-guarantee... so really not comparable to a 4 year deal. Randle might get 20M but I doubt he gets that over 4 years.

$18M is bonkers for Jabari. He might... might get full MLE, but likely gets like one year MLE type money. Niko I can see 12-15M per year.

Phoenix is a terrible fit for Randle... like just awful. They also don't have cap space.

NO can only pay Randle like $10M a year because they don't have his full bird rights and don't have cap space.

Brooklyn might be a good fit... same with Dallas. I could see Dallas overpaying and maybe going to $20M a year for him... I think that's a stretch though.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think Mirotic might come kind of cheap and I still think he'd be a particularly good fit here.

Plan A is Tobias and the more I think about it, the more I don't think it's even close. Throw the kitchen sink at making that happen. If it doesn't, pivot to absorbing Griffin or Conley while combing the market for solid FA pieces with priority on the 4, then the 1, then the wing. Informally allocate the smaller of the room exception or remaining cap on a backup 5 (Dedmon would be perfect). Keep an eye on 2021 in all circumstances that doesn't yield a bona fide star.

Mirotic fits into one of those scenarios.
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He hit a slump at the wrong time. Cost him some dough. If we got Conley I prefer Niko to Randle... if we ended up with Beverly I'd likely prefer Julius.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I would also knock on Sacramento's door about Bjelica.
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Yes... If I were a GM I'd just call certain teams everyday... just to check in ya know... Sacramento would be on speed dial. I'd also text real late at night... hey Vlade… you up?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Jabari got one year and a second year non-guarantee... so really not comparable to a 4 year deal. Randle might get 20M but I doubt he gets that over 4 years.

$18M is bonkers for Jabari. He might... might get full MLE, but likely gets like one year MLE type money. Niko I can see 12-15M per year.

Phoenix is a terrible fit for Randle... like just awful. They also don't have cap space.

NO can only pay Randle like $10M a year because they don't have his full bird rights and don't have cap space.

Brooklyn might be a good fit... same with Dallas. I could see Dallas overpaying and maybe going to $20M a year for him... I think that's a stretch though.
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You make some good points.

I think Randle gets 3 years $60 million. Maybe 4 years $70, but hard to tell. There are so many teams with max and multiple max space. He is a top 10 free agent this summer due to age, production and potential.

Jabari is a mystery. I was shocked he got $20 last year when there was less money available. I think he definitely gets $10+ which is over the MLE. The risk is worth it.

I wouldn't take Mirotic unless it's a bargain. I don't think he is much more than just a shooter with suspect defense when it gets to playoff time. If he gets $15+ over many years, he will be the next Ryan Anderson before long.

If we strike out on Tobias, Randle, and Jabari, I could be fine with Crowder, O'Neale, Ingles, Niang and a draft pick platooning PF. We just have to improve PG if that happens.

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Frank Kaminsky linked to Milwaukee....so there is another prime Jazz target off the board.*


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LoPo said:
You make some good points.

I think Randle gets 3 years $60 million. Maybe 4 years $70, but hard to tell. There are so many teams with max and multiple max space. He is a top 10 free agent this summer due to age, production and potential.

Jabari is a mystery. I was shocked he got $20 last year when there was less money available. I think he definitely gets $10+ which is over the MLE. The risk is worth it.

I wouldn't take Mirotic unless it's a bargain. I don't think he is much more than just a shooter with suspect defense when it gets to playoff time. If he gets $15+ over many years, he will be the next Ryan Anderson before long.

If we strike out on Tobias, Randle, and Jabari, I could be fine with Crowder, O'Neale, Ingles, Niang and a draft pick platooning PF. We just have to improve PG if that happens.

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Disagree on Jabari... I don't think he's a mystery. He still has some upside, but I'm guessing he gets a prove it deal.

Niko has more to his game than Ryno did, but if Ryno was still making shots he'd be getting playing time... he stopped making shots. I wouldn't pay Niko more than $15M though so I agree.

There is a fair amount of cap space out there... but the number of teams with space has been exaggerated. Indiana is a great example. They don't have space unless the renounce Thad and Bojan… both of which they'd like to keep. Phoenix doesn't have space. Knicks, Lakers, and Clippers are looking at going after big dogs... Atlanta has space but I'm not sure they are at the point where they use that space on players. Bulls have like 19M... but its really Indiana (on Tobias and Bojan), Dallas, Brooklyn, Sacramento that we will be competing against. There are also a lot of free agents so guys in the middle/upper tiers may settle quickly in order to secure the bag rather than waiting it out to get an extra 10-20%.
 
mellow said:
Frank Kaminsky linked to Milwaukee....so there is another prime Jazz target off the board.*


* Parts of this post may include sarcasm.
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We are screwed.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Disagree on Jabari... I don't think he's a mystery. He still has some upside, but I'm guessing he gets a prove it deal.

Niko has more to his game than Ryno did, but if Ryno was still making shots he'd be getting playing time... he stopped making shots. I wouldn't pay Niko more than $15M though so I agree.

There is a fair amount of cap space out there... but the number of teams with space has been exaggerated. Indiana is a great example. They don't have space unless the renounce Thad and Bojan… both of which they'd like to keep. Phoenix doesn't have space. Knicks, Lakers, and Clippers are looking at going after big dogs... Atlanta has space but I'm not sure they are at the point where they use that space on players. Bulls have like 19M... but its really Indiana (on Tobias and Bojan), Dallas, Brooklyn, Sacramento that we will be competing against. There are also a lot of free agents so guys in the middle/upper tiers may settle quickly in order to secure the bag rather than waiting it out to get an extra 10-20%.
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I think at this point Niko will be lucky to get over 10 million a year, if that. He was playing behind career journeyman Ersan Illyasova in the playoffs.
 
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