Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[Stars Fan]

You find her claim more credible because she said there was another person in the room, even though that person claims they were never in a room where any such thing happened? I don't see how that helps her case at all.

If this attempted rape happened it's a terrible thing, but memory is not reliable. She can't remember when it happened, she can't remember where it happened, how do we know that she isn't mis-remembering who it happened with? It's unfortunate when justice cannot be served, but this is part of the reason that the statute of limitations exists. There is literally no evidence other than a 30+ year old memory, and anyone who thinks memory (even of important events) is reliable over that length of time is lying to themselves.

As for faulty or incomplete memory, that's how it works with trauma. I work with vets, many of whom suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Injuries. (I generally oppose the use of the commonly used PTSD tag as it stigmatizes the issue. ) Many of them have vivid images and memories of specific parts of the event, e.g. the smell in the air, the color of the car etc., and yet not remember other things like why they were on the mission or in that location in the first place. Sexual trauma is very similar, from the limited people I have worked with that have experienced it, and from the literature I have read. I would not discount her story based her not recalling whose house the party was at.

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[RandyForRubio]

I probably shouldn't have just trusted you were right when you said the FBI only does background checks as they relate to national security. Turns out that's not the case at all.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pb...nvestigation-behind-supreme-court-nominations

1) I’m just quoting the US DOJ. That’s exactly what they said.

2) The FBI does a background interview, as detailed in the article you quoted.

3) “White House lawyers are scouring a life's worth of information about President Barack Obama's potential picks for the Supreme Court, from the mundane to the intensely personal.”

Notice who’s doing the investigating. It’s the justice department.



But honestly, I’m not a legal expert. I’m just going by what the DOJ says, which I’m sure you won’t agree with. That’s fine.

 

[Zombie]

1) I’m just quoting the US DOJ. That’s exactly what they said.

2) The FBI does a background interview, as detailed in the article you quoted.

3) “White House lawyers are scouring a life's worth of information about President Barack Obama's potential picks for the Supreme Court, from the mundane to the intensely personal.”

Notice who’s doing the investigating. It’s the justice department.



But honestly, I’m not a legal expert. I’m just going by what the DOJ says, which I’m sure you won’t agree with. That’s fine.

The FBI is a part of the justice department. TMYK.

 

[Stars Fan]

I think you are probably right. That is how she remembers it. That doesn't mean it is how it actually happened. The same can be said for Kavanaugh. I think he is likely being honest about what he remembers, but I'll bet there is a ton about his teenage years which he no longer remembers accurately.

You are right of course. It does not prove that it did, or did not, happen. I doubt we will ever have definitive proof on something like this.

I also think he has more to gain by misremembering than she does. There may be others who remember her at the party (or the judge) and can remember or add to the picture. There is little chance they come forward if this gets rushed through. Is it worth taking time to investigate the story? Or do we rush to judgement with the incomplete picture we have now?

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[Joe Bagadonuts]

As for faulty or incomplete memory, that's how it works with trauma. I work with vets, many of whom suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Injuries. (I generally oppose the use of the commonly used PTSD tag as it stigmatizes the issue. ) Many of them have vivid images and memories of specific parts of the event, e.g. the smell in the air, the color of the car etc., and yet not remember other things like why they were on the mission or in that location in the first place. Sexual trauma is very similar, from the limited people I have worked with that have experienced it, and from the literature I have read. I would not discount her story based her not recalling whose house the party was at.

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Regardless, it is impossible to rely on her memory of an event that happened over three decades ago, and it does not strengthen her case that her "witness" doesn't recall the event at all or that she doesn't remember other details. Certain significant events occurred in my teenage years. I remember exactly where they happened... or at least, I believe I do.

I recall a vivid memory from my own childhood that I told people about many times, and then one day I saw an old photo that made it obvious that I had mis-remembered a key detail. Not only is memory imperfect, but it gets more imperfect every time we incorrectly remember an event. There are many possible explanations for what this woman is remembering, but no way to know if any of them are actually true.

 

[str8line]

Regardless, it is impossible to rely on her memory of an event that happened over three decades ago, and it does not strengthen her case that her "witness" doesn't recall the event at all or that she doesn't remember other details. Certain significant events occurred in my teenage years. I remember exactly where they happened... or at least, I believe I do.

I recall a vivid memory from my own childhood that I told people about many times, and then one day I saw an old photo that made it obvious that I had mis-remembered a key detail. Not only is memory imperfect, but it gets more imperfect every time we incorrectly remember an event. There are many possible explanations for what this woman is remembering, but no way to know if any of them are actually true.

WTF is wrong with you? Of course you would remember a dude pinning you down, gagging you and trying to rip your clothes off. Everything else is irrelevant.

 

[Stars Fan]

Regardless, it is impossible to rely on her memory of an event that happened over three decades ago, and it does not strengthen her case that her "witness" doesn't recall the event at all or that she doesn't remember other details. Certain significant events occurred in my teenage years. I remember exactly where they happened... or at least, I believe I do.

I recall a vivid memory from my own childhood that I told people about many times, and then one day I saw an old photo that made it obvious that I had mis-remembered a key detail. Not only is memory imperfect, but it gets more imperfect every time we incorrectly remember an event. There are many possible explanations for what this woman is remembering, but no way to know if any of them are actually true.

Str8line posted:
..."Of course you would remember a dude pinning you down, gagging you and trying to rip your clothes off. Everything else is irrelevant."
^^^^
This.

It's not that she does not recall things accurately because she has lapses in her recall, it's that she remembers some details too clearly. If they were in HS together, she would see him in school all the time. and that would help cement in her memory the guy "who held her down and covered her mouth" while trying to.... what? rape her? grope her?

We don't have to rely on her memory alone...bring in others from HS, or the party, see what they have to say. Or sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't matter. You make the call. How would you proceed if it were your call?

 

[Zombie]

Not a great look. I don't really give a **** if he 'asked to be involved in this,' Mrs Ford certainly didn't. He should be called to testify under oath.

 

[RandyForRubio]

 

[One Brow]

That goes against every human right we have in judicial system.

Kavanaugh is not on trial; he's under a confirmation process. Why do the levels of evidence need to be identical?

 

[str8line]

You guys are unbelievable. Like this woman is going to make her life a living hell over a lie.

 

[Zombie]

This is what women who come forward risk. She deserves to be believed.