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One Brow said:
Ford talked to her Representative before she talked to Feinstein, IIRC.
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Yes. Ford said she first went to the Post on the advice of friends. She decided she did not want to go the journalism route, and then went to her Representative, and then to her Senator. She wanted the information to inform the committee, but wanted to remain anonymous. It is not clear if the letter was included in what she gave the Post. In any case it was known by many people that she had made this allegation. It is not clear who leaked the letter. After it hit the news she decided to give it credibility by renouncing anonymity. She asked that the judiciary committee have the FBI conduct an investigation to avoid the contest of credibility were eventually got. Feinstein says it was not her or her staff that released Ford's letter.

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Red said:
And boy, is this chart ever illustrative. It shows how many times Ford answered a question, or did not, and how many times Kavanaugh answered a question and how many times he did not. The difference is striking, to say the least:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...8/kavanaugh-ford-question-dodge-hearing-chart
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There was a massive difference in how these two witnesses were treated. That partly explains the differences here (imagine being grilled on the contents of your yearbook, etc.). But it doesn't entirely explain the differences and I agree that he could have handled himself better. I do agree with him that his treatment has been atrocious, though.
Red said:
Well, maybe, or maybe not, the FBI investigation will shed more light on the allegations. And they started last night, investigating the second woman, I believe. They are assigning field agents to every allegation that is presently in the public arena, not just Ford's. Supposing, just for the sake of argument, that the FBI investigation develops information that truly makes it impossible to place Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. Surely, at that point, it would be the case that later was better then not at all?

I'm sure the women who confronted Flake in the elevator represented the feelings of many victims of sexual abuse. I think that one powerful example of citizens confronting an elected official in a democracy made the FBI investigation inevitable, once Flake stated his case. And that was not a bad thing, since Flake consulted Democrat Coons, in a rare, rare, rare act of bipartisanship in our otherwise poisonous tribal politics.

Sure, the Democrats would love to delay right past the midterms, if they could win both houses, and delay until the results of the 2020 election is known. And maybe regain the choice the Republicans delayed until Obama was out of office. But, once the cat was out of the bag, a chance encounter at an elevator may have changed the course of our history. We'll see. At this point, better for all not to have this cloud over Kavanaugh if it can be lifted.

Although I'm on the record as believing his opening statement reveals a man unfit for the highest court in the land.
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Ford brought her allegations to Feinstein's attention and asked that she remain anonymous. That means that she was asking that something be done about them. Unfortunately for everyone (especially Ford) Feinstein used the letter in the most political way possible. She revealed the letter publicly at the eleventh hour... and someone (either Feinstein, her staff or Dr. Ford) soon leaked it. Disgusting.

All that said, I agree with you about the investigation. I did not initially believe it was warranted because I saw this whole thing as a hit job. Having heard Ford speak I think we need more info. I strongly believe the best way to have handled this (politics aside) would have been for Feinstein to bring it to the attention of the committee back in July, and for them to have ordered a confidential investigation.

Both sides are behaving very badly and have been for some time. I was very happy to see Flake reach across the aisle, and I hope it is a portent of better things to come. Unfortunately, my gut tells me that is not going to be the case. There are some people on the left who hate Trump so badly that they will stop at nothing to obstruct. In fact, they brag about it. Very sad times politically.
 
The Thriller said:
I looked this up to find out why you’d be posting this. Apparently Fox News had her on the other day. Did you watch it? Is that why you’re bringing her up? She claims that democrats are being hypocritical now. Hey that’s exactly what you accused me of being!!! Cool! Do you think you’re clever regurgitating Fox News talking points?

Apparently she claims that Clinton raped her in 1976 and accused him in 1999. So yeah, I guess I owe you an apology. I should’ve been up in arms. My hypocrisy has been revealed. I should’ve marched against Clinton and “the Dems” when I was in the 5th grade.

Being ignorant to sexual assault (or politics for that matter) back in 1999 when I was in elementary school but being against it now in 2018 as an adult clearly shows the hypocrisy that has infected “the left.” I most certainly have foreseen my ignorance of a man I didn’t kn

I bow to your intellectual prowness. You really kicked my ***.
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Or it was news two years ago when Hilary was running for the Presidency. But yeah, keep doing your thing, Thriller, and leading the good fight.
 
Stars Fan said:
Yes. Ford said she first went to the Post on the advice of friends. She decided she did not want to go the journalism route, and then went to her Representative, and then to her Senator. She wanted the information to inform the committee, but wanted to remain anonymous. It is not clear if the letter was included in what she gave the Post. In any case it was known by many people that she had made this allegation. It is not clear who leaked the letter. After it hit the news she decided to give it credibility by renouncing anonymity. She asked that the judiciary committee have the FBI conduct an investigation to avoid the contest of credibility were eventually got. Feinstein says it was not her or her staff that released Ford's letter.

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I think Ford was complicit with the letter being released. She may have directly followed up with the WaPo reporter to grant permission for her name to be released. I don't think it was released without her knowledge. Feinstein's office was already advising Ford and recommending counsel for her long before her name was released. They were preparing to take this public. It's also pretty clear that the Dems used this as a gambit to extend the confirmation process and muck it up, but that's politics is usual. At the end of the day, the question is whether Kavanaugh really did this or not.
 
Also, some of the press is going after Kavanaugh with the accusation of under-representing how much he drank, how much he partied in college, or that he was a "sloppy drunk." To me, that's neither here nor there. It may be circumstantial evidence to support that Kavanaugh couldn't control his behavior, but until a time and place are established for the actual alleged crime, that doesn't really matter.
 
Catchall said:
Also, some of the press is going after Kavanaugh with the accusation of under-representing how much he drank, how much he partied in college, or that he was a "sloppy drunk." To me, that's neither here nor there. It may be circumstantial evidence to support that Kavanaugh couldn't control his behavior, but until a time and place are established for the actual alleged crime, that doesn't really matter.
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Maybe we need high school dropouts as judges and senators


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Dems don’t care if Ford was attacked or not. They are exploiting the situation, and the republicans, come hell or high waters are going to do whatever they can to push Kavanaugh as Supreme Court judge, they could care less if he raped someone or not as long as their selfish needs are met. **** this entire proceeding. If I could I’d walk straight into that sham of those proceedings and moon every last one of them and take a dump right on the middle of the floor


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