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"Surprised if Teague Doesn't End Up in Utah"

Hack does make some valid points. While Burks is certainly replaceable, I don't think giving him up for Teague is the right deal. Offer should be Burke + the lesser of the 2017 picks (have to hedge in case of catastrophe - google SA/Duncan). Getting Teague gives Utah 4 PG's. Giving up Burks lessens a very good wing rotation. Burks is a great 6th man, especially if Trey is gone. And he's on a very good contract. Alec's value will likely increase once he comes back from injury and if he's the #1 option on the 2nd unit, replacing the shots Burke is now taking,
 
Hack does make some valid points. While Burks is certainly replaceable, I don't think giving him up for Teague is the right deal. Offer should be Burke + the lesser of the 2017 picks (have to hedge in case of catastrophe - google SA/Duncan). Getting Teague gives Utah 4 PG's. Giving up Burks lessens a very good wing rotation. Burks is a great 6th man, especially if Trey is gone. And he's on a very good contract. Alec's value will likely increase once he comes back from injury and if he's the #1 option on the 2nd unit, replacing the shots Burke is now taking,

2017 is a loaded year talent wise. I wouldn't give up any of our 2017 picks unless I'm sure we're getting assets we can hang on to for years to come.


And if anyone's gonna say ... "Well what use is a late first?"


Answer: Gobert & Hood are late firsts.
 
2017 is a loaded year talent wise. I wouldn't give up any of our 2017 picks unless I'm sure we're getting assets we can hang on to for years to come.


And if anyone's gonna say ... "Well what use is a late first?"


Answer: Gobert & Hood are late firsts.

And we Gobert in a "down year" in terms of draft talent. The 2014 draft was "loaded" as well and look at some of the players taken late 1st: Napier, Capela, Huestis, Hairston Wilcox. I think you overvalue that GS pick. It was a good risk by DL, but GS became a championship team instead of just average. That gamble didn't pay off huge - unless he's EXTREMELY lucky with a pick or uses it in a trade.

So what in your opinion is better to give up...the 2016 pick if it looks like Utah will be in the 15-17 range, or the GS pick, which is likely in the 28-30 range in 2017? Or do you just pass on Teague and wait for next year and hope some of these assets we're accumulating pay off, while some are burned (i.e players picked and don't make the roster or DL trades the picks for cash)?
 
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And we got them in "down years" in terms of draft talent. So what in your opinion is better to give up...the 2016 pick if it looks like Utah will be in the 15-17 range, or the GS pick, which is likely in the 28-30 range in 2017? Or do you just pass on Teague and wait for next year and hope some of these assets we're accumulating pay off, while some are burned (i.e players picked and don't make the roster or DL trades the picks for cash)?

I would rather do the Burks & Teague swap than giving up first round draft picks of any kind is what I'm saying...
 
I would rather do the Burks & Teague swap than giving up first round draft picks of any kind is what I'm saying...

Wow. You think Burks is worse than what we'd get late first in 2017? Sorry, even in a deep draft you don't generally get talent like that in the late 20's (see my edit re: 2014 draft). Sure, there are a few scattered examples. But for every Hood or Gobert, you'll find 10 Morris Almonds and Eric Maynors (or any of the others I cited above).
 
Wow. You think Burks is worse than what we'd get late first in 2017? Sorry, even in a deep draft you don't generally get talent like that in the late 20's (see my edit re: 2014 draft). Sure, there are a few scattered examples. But for every Hood or Gobert, you'll find 10 Morris Almonds and Eric Maynors (or any of the others I cited above).

I didn't say Burks is worse, but for a small market team like the Jazz a draft pick is a lot more important than keeping an overpriced fringe starter. Not saying Burks isn't a good player but let's be real, you have to think about flexibility as well.


Would you say Burks is better than Hood? No right? Hood is a late first rounder in an average draft. So is Gobert. I know we won't be hitting the jackpot every time, but with DL's drafting track record (barring Trey who was really a Ty's pick), I'd roll the dice with him getting us another solid player who we can have on cheap contract for years to come.
 
I didn't say Burks is worse, but for a small market team like the Jazz a draft pick is a lot more important than keeping an overpriced fringe starter. Not saying Burks isn't a good player but let's be real, you have to think about flexibility as well.


Would you say Burks is better than Hood? No right? Hood is a late first rounder in an average draft. So is Gobert. I know we won't be hitting the jackpot every time, but with DL's drafting track record (barring Trey who was really a Ty's pick), I'd roll the dice with him getting us another solid player who we can have on cheap contract for years to come.

Trey wasnt Ty's pick. You really can't believe DL deferred to a coach he didnt even want to re-sign.
 
Trey wasnt Ty's pick. You really can't believe DL deferred to a coach he didnt even want to re-sign.

DL made it clear in an interview after the draft that Ty pushed hard for Burke. He wouldn't need to say that if the pick was entirely his.
 
Not saying Burks isn't a good player but let's be real, you have to think about flexibility as well.

FLEXIBILITY FOR WHAT?

Furthermore, Burks' deal in two years is going to be close to expiring, and close to the MLE. Burks isn't a problem, nor is his salary. He's worth more than one of the last three picks of some draft, especially to a team that should be trying to be actually good instead of perpetually flipping good, known quantities into this endless void of "flexibility".
 
I didn't say Burks is worse, but for a small market team like the Jazz a draft pick is a lot more important than keeping an overpriced fringe starter. Not saying Burks isn't a good player but let's be real, you have to think about flexibility as well.


Would you say Burks is better than Hood? No right? Hood is a late first rounder in an average draft. So is Gobert. I know we won't be hitting the jackpot every time, but with DL's drafting track record (barring Trey who was really a Ty's pick), I'd roll the dice with him getting us another solid player who we can have on cheap contract for years to come.

I call BS. The buck stops at the GM's desk. He makes the final call; if he takes credit for Hood, he can't pass off a terrible mistake on a coach, It's laughable to assume Corbin as a new coach had Sloan-like power to demand a certain player. Also, DL pigeon-holed himself into HAVING to take a PG instead of BPA by not resolving the PG situation the season before. He had the worst backup PG's in the league and knew Mo wasn't coming back. Instead of having a starter, vet and a developing PG, he had a SG in a PG's body (Mo) and two "gummers" who should have been in assisted-living facilities,

I think we give him WAY too much credit for being a draft "guru." Yes, I give him and his staff kudos for Gobert. Can't remember the int'l guy they hired, but I do remember he was the one who used to put together the World team for the Hoop Summit, He was the one who "found" Gobert and it was a very smart hire, Hood was a "no-brainer" pick as the highest rated player on the board. During the draft, his name kept popping up as he slid. 99% of us would have made the pick, But what hidden "gems" has DL found? With his 90 workouts per summer has he uncovered a Paul Millsap or a Wesley Matthews with one of those late picks?

2013 - Traded up for Neto. 3rd-string PG on almost any other team. OK, at least he made a roster.
2014 - Draft pick traded for a future, WORSE pick (Jokic or Clarkson would have been nice!)
2015 - Hanlan drafted, other pick sold for cash. Nothing exciting here.

OK, any FA moves of note? KOC brought in Memo and Okur. DL has found us Booker, Withey, Johnson and Little Sap. WOW, I bow to his genius. Oh that's right...the slew of player development guys Utah has will turn scrubs into all-stars!

And we can't "skip steps." GS waited for Thompson and Green to develop before they made key trades for great veterans like Bogut and Iggy, SA traded their veterans to let Kawhi develop into an all-star. Oh wait...

This idea that you can have a "core" develop all together is absurd nowadays. There will ALWAYS be player movement, You can't keep everyone. Jazz MAY lose Hayward if they want to keep Gobert, Exum, Hood and Favors. So a young player then gets brought in. Then another leaves if/when it comes time to pay that young guy. Even in the Stockton/Malone days, there was movement at the SG until Hormacek arrived. Then Utah went through some C's and SF's. DL and/or the Millers and now the BofD has REFUSED to spend money, They've gotten barely to the salary floor the past two years and kept Utah 28th in payroll. That just WON'T result in a serious playoff competitor.
 
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I call BS. The buck stops at the GM's desk. He makes the final call; if he takes credit for Hood, he can't pass off a terrible mistake on a coach, It's laughable to assume Corbin as a new coach had Sloan-like power to demand a certain player. Also, DL pigeon-holed himself into HAVING to take a PG instead of BPA by not resolving the PG situation the season before. He had the worst backup PG's in the league and knew Mo wasn't coming back.

I think we give him WAY too much credit for being a draft "guru." Yes, I give him and his staff kudos for Gobert. Can't remember the int'l guy they hired, but I do remember he was the one who used to put together the World team for the Hoop Summit, He was the one who "found" Gobert and it was a very smart hire, Hood was a "no-brainer" pick as the highest rated player on the board. During the draft, his name kept popping up. 99% of us would have made the pick, But what hidden "gems" has DL found? With his 90 workouts per summer has he uncovered a Paul Millsap or a Wesley Matthews with one of those late picks?

2013 - Traded up for Neto. 3rd-string PG on almost any other team. OK, at least he made a roster.
2014 - Draft pick traded for a future, WORSE pick (Jokic or Clarkson would have been nice!)
2015 - Hanlan drafted, other pick sold for cash. Nothing exciting here.

OK, any FA moves of note? KOC brought in Memo and Okur. DL has found us Booker, Withey, Johnson and Little Sap. WOW, I bow to genius. Oh that's right...the slew of player development guys Utah has will turn scrubs into all-stars!
Utah didn't "find" Gobert. He was a top-ten pick on the world's best and most popular free draft database for large portions of the preceding months. He should've gone in the teens. When I heard the Jazz got him at #27, I was stunned. The entire NBA fell asleep at the wheel and the Jazz pounced.
 
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