What's new
By:

Terror attack on US soil with 12 casualties!

Zombie said:
Which parties front runner candidate for president is making xenophobic hateful comments on a nearly weekly basis?

I'm pretty goddamn sure the Donald isn't running as a Democrat. That **** plays on the right. It doesn't on the left. I wonder why...
Click to expand...
I feel like both sides of the political spectrum are defined and dominated by their most extreme members. I believe the vast majority of Americans are much closer to the middle, but it is the extremes who are constantly guiding and defining the debate and the agenda.

I'm right of center and I despise the actions of right wing extremists. I wonder if people on the left feel the same way about the extreme left.

I think there is an awful lot of anger on the right. They are tired of watching as this country is driven in a dramatically different direction than they believe it should go. Trump's appeal is that nobody owns him. He is not beholden to some PAC, and the fact that he says whatever comes into his mind proves it. It's been a long time since we've seen a presidential candidate like that. Unfortunately, despite the positives of not being in anybody's pocket, he is absolutely not the leader this country needs. He is flawed in so many ways, and as a leader he would become so out of control because of his gigantic ego. He would be more than an embarrassment. There's a very good chance he would create major problems.

I wish Mitt was a choice. Given the options we do have, I'd pick Rubio.
 
Gameface said:
What's the penalty for murder in the U.S.? What's said in the bible about an eye for an eye?
Click to expand...

The words “eye for eye, tooth for tooth,” found in the Bible, have caused no little contention. (Exodus 21:24) To some people, it is nothing less than divine approval of revenge. But such thinking conflicts with God’s command: “You must not take vengeance nor hold a grudge against the sons of your people.” (Leviticus 19:18) How, then, are we to understand those words in Exodus?

Exodus 21:22 presents a scenario in which two men are fighting and one of them strikes a pregnant woman, causing her to deliver prematurely. If mother and baby survived, the injured woman’s husband would not be authorized to strike back. Rather, the man who struck the new mother would have to “pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges.” In other words, the judges in court would make the striker pay a fine to the husband of the injured mother. If she or her child died because of injuries, those same judges would have the perpetrator put to death.

In this case, the court, not the victim, applied “life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth*.*.*.” (Exodus 21:23,*24) That principle reminded judges that punishment should be neither excessive nor insufficient. Bible scholar Richard Elliott Friedman states: “The basic principle appears to be that punishment should correspond to the crime and never exceed it.”

What gave rise to the idea that God’s Law authorized personal acts of revenge? It is noteworthy that at Matthew 5:38, 39, we find Jesus’ words: “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” It seems that by Jesus’ day, some religious teachers had included the ‘law of retaliation’ in their oral tradition as approval for personal vengeance. Jesus, however, made clear that such a teaching had no support in God’s Law to Israel.
 
Archie Moses said:
You have to be religious to be pro-life?
Click to expand...
He was saying that you have to be religious to be obsessively pro life to the point of killing people who work at a place that performs abortions
 
fishonjazz said:
He was saying that you have to be religious to be obsessively pro life to the point of killing people who work at a place that performs abortions
Click to expand...

I don't necessarily agree with that being an absolute. What if you're pro-life, atheist and straight up mental?
 
Archie Moses said:
If someone slaps ya, brah, let them slap your other cheek, too. (From what I remember.)
Click to expand...

Jesus had given his disciples counsel: “You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him.” (Mt 5:38,*39)

Here Jesus was not teaching pacifism or denying the right of self-defense from bodily harm, but he was teaching that a Christian does not need to pay back blow for blow, retaliating, taking vengeance. He was inculcating the principle of avoiding quarrels by not replying or reacting in kind.

A slap on the cheek is not intended to injure physically but only to insult or to provoke into a fight. Jesus did not say that if someone strikes a Christian on the jaw, he should get up off the floor and hold the other side of his face for a target. What Jesus was saying was that if anyone tried to provoke a Christian into a fight or argument by either slapping him with an open hand or stinging him with insulting words, it would be wrong to retaliate. This is in harmony with the statements of the apostles, giving further emphasis to this principle.—Ro 12:17-21; 1Pe 3:9.
 
Zombie said:
https://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/starbucks-cup-evangelist-called

This *** clown apparently has 2 million Facebook followers. Find me someone with that level of influence on the left in this country using hateful violent rhetoric like that. I'll wait.
Click to expand...
There is no excuse for saying things like that and he should go to jail for it. I've never heard of him before. Does he have a history of this sort of thing? Are all of those people following him because he has been calling for violence, or did he gain followers in some other way and then move to more extreme positions? I don't know the answer, but it would surprise me if he does not begin losing followers with a stance like this.

I said it before but I'll reiterate, the extremes on either side of the political spectrum get way more attention than they deserve, and often they are the ones driving the political debate. Bill Ayers is an example of a person with influence on the left who has called for violence. Let's not allow the yoyos on the fringe to define either side.
 
San Bernardino today, 20+ injured so far. Not sure what else there is to say.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top