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The 2011 NBA Draft Lottery Thread, May 17th, 8:30 EST

I didn't say 12. I said giving up #3 pick and three players is too much.

Since you're swapping to move up, the #3 is included. I thought that was obvious. The deal I proposed that was OUT OF LINE is trading up a slot and using junk to do it. Beantown suggested #3 and #12 for #2 and #20 straight up which intrigues me. Except that I think Minnesota is trying to get veterans and not picks.