The 2018 UN Climate Report

[babe]

still, OB, human belief systems will always be the excuse for human incivility towards other humans. The genius of our original Constitution as laid out or intended by our founding fathers, was the deliberate design to limit the power of government, and elevate the power of ordinary people over their government.

Today, the UN is largely run by representatives selected by corporate interests from around the world, many of them beholden to the same grand international corporates. That's why it acts, and looks.... fascist, in my view. There are no elected representatives from any member country. It is an absolute takeover of human politics by people with the ideals and morals of fascism, including the notion of various "final solutions" to the human "overpopulation" problem. We have never had a more murderous prospective government in all human history, as the sort Bill Gates deems necessary to solve the population crisis.

I, on the other hand, believe we have a lot of technological and infrastructural capacities to sustain a substantial increase in human population, and the need to do so in order to gain the higher ground as a civilization competent to explore and settle our interstellar neighborhood within the Milky Way galaxy.

I'm all for pulling the rug out from underfoot the doomsayer elites who want to return Mother Earth to the "pristine" status of one very large global hunting grounds for the amusement of our wealthy elites.

How are our current elitists significantly different from the royalist elites who with their hounds prowled the Kings' Forests of two hundred years ago. They pay poor wages to the huddled masses encamped around their palatial halls, and have little intellect beyond indulgent habits.

 

[One Brow]

So, in my opinion, you are insanely mistaken to support the "solution" whatever the problem really is....on political grounds.

and the last twenty years of climate prediction, while getting better, is not really impressive enough to be the basis of a new human belief system or government action. Not yet.

still, OB, human belief systems will always be the excuse for human incivility towards other humans. The genius of our original Constitution as laid out or intended by our founding fathers, was the deliberate design to limit the power of government, and elevate the power of ordinary people over their government.

I don't let politics interfere with the survival of our civilization.

What would it take for it to be impressive enough, for you?

The intention of our founding fathers was to keep the power of ordinary people in check by allowing to directly elect only one-half of one branch of government (the House of Representatives). The Senate, the President, and the SCOTUS were all appointed/elected in other ways. The founding fathers feared the effects of ordinary people have more power than government.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Oof @babe should stop while he is very far behind in this debate, it keeps getting worse. I haven't seen such a lot sided debate on here in awhile.

Also, lol at babe saying someone didn't provide evidence of a claim.

 

[Stoked]

Oof @babe should stop while he is very far behind in this debate, it keeps getting worse. I haven't seen such a lot sided debate on here in awhile.

Also, lol at babe saying someone didn't provide evidence of a claim.

Babes entire charm is not knowing when to stop. He learns that now and he’s ignore worthy

 

[babe]

I don't let politics interfere with the survival of our civilization.

What would it take for it to be impressive enough, for you?

The intention of our founding fathers was to keep the power of ordinary people in check by allowing to directly elect only one-half of one branch of government (the House of Representatives). The Senate, the President, and the SCOTUS were all appointed/elected in other ways. The founding fathers feared the effects of ordinary people have more power than government.

LOL.

Our founders laid their lives on the line to get loose of the British Establishment and every American supporter in the Revolution hated and resented the excesses and crimes of that "elite". It is true that the intellectual leadership of the American Revolution were well-educated in the classic tradition and could hold their own in civil discourse with anyone, and dine in all the "First Circles" of society, so no they were not "rednect" or "rube" sorts of folks.

But the soldiers who fought on the ground, including Washington, were people who loved their "rights" as they had hoped the British overlords would recognize them.... the same as the rights of British subjects in England and other places in the Commonwealth. But the Bristish overlords denied those established rights under the Magna Carta to the Americans.

And that is why they fought.

Sure..... our Constitutional system is not a pure "democracy", and democracy is to be feared as much as any tyrant. Democracy is, after all, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. And Liberty is a well-armed sheep.

The Senate was supposed to directly represent State (as in the founding 13 "states"
in the Federal government. The House was supposed to directly represent the populace in some manner proportionate to population. The President or Executive Branch was elected to carry out the admistration of the governance, and the Supreme Court was supposed to be an arbiter or regulator that could keep the governance in line with the Constitution.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

The intention of our founding fathers was to keep the power of ordinary people in check by allowing to directly elect only one-half of one branch of government (the House of Representatives). The Senate, the President, and the SCOTUS were all appointed/elected in other ways. The founding fathers feared the effects of ordinary people have more power than government.

My man, even my socialist history teacher friends would laugh. I. Just.. hell carry on wtf has happened

 

[Deleted member 5000]

One brow please speak no more about the founders, it's obvious whether you disagree or not that you haven't read a word of theirs. Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Madison, Sam Adams, get to reading.. you're in for a shock.

 

[One Brow]

But the soldiers who fought on the ground, including Washington, were people who loved their "rights" as they had hoped the British overlords would recognize them...

May I suggest you watch the "Adam Ruins Everything" clip on George Washington and his army? Much of the Continental Army consisted of the drafted, criminals being punished, etc.

the same as the rights of British subjects in England and other places in the Commonwealth. But the Bristish overlords denied those established rights under the Magna Carta to the Americans.

Pre-revolutionary Americans were British citizens, with the same rights as every other British citizen.

Democracy is, after all, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. And Liberty is a well-armed sheep.

Quote by Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, on the dangers of democracy. Did you intend to support my point?

The Senate was supposed to directly represent State (as in the founding 13 "states" in the Federal government. The House was supposed to directly represent the populace in some manner proportionate to population. The President or Executive Branch was elected to carry out the admistration of the governance, and the Supreme Court was supposed to be an arbiter or regulator that could keep the governance in line with the Constitution.

Agreed, and all exactly in line with what I said.

My man, even my socialist history teacher friends would laugh. I. Just.. hell carry on wtf has happened

I'm sorry your history teacher is so uninformed.

One brow please speak no more about the founders, it's obvious whether you disagree or not that you haven't read a word of theirs. Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Madison, Sam Adams, get to reading.. you're in for a shock.

Am I? Perhaps you are confusing liberty (a state of citizen freedom) with democracy (a method of governmental power attainment). Not all democracies have liberty, and not all liberalistic countries are democracies.

https://www.ranker.com/list/founding-fathers-anti-democracy-quotes/melissa-sartore

Note the Father of the Constitution (aka James Madison) is listed twice, and that members of the first two political parties (Federalists and Democratic-Republicans) are on the list.

 

[Zombie]

The founding fathers were made up of the elites in society, it's not a coincidence that the right to vote wasn't universal at the time of the founding of our country. The amount of misunderstood (or poorly taught) history in this country is just astounding.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

No dude liberty gets no authority from government, government gets consent from the people. Liberty > government you believe the opposite provide one quote from any founder that doesn't agree with this. Your ideology is what they crossed a great body of water to prove wrong.

You are in charge of your life, no one else. They were they first to declare this, that you are your own King, your own priest. life liberty and the pursuit of happiness triumphs anything else, everything is legal as long as it doesn't interfere with others same right

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

The version of the Galileo story you are using is as much myth as reality. However, I agree that we need keep self-interested politicians, government agency careerists, and all the folks with money at the table from swaying scientific truth. The difference is who we see as the self-interested politicians (those who take corporate money and represent corporate interests instead of voter interests), government agency careerists (those with more interest in maintaining their budgets and not rocking the boat), and folks with money at the table (the coal and oil industries). Who does that leave us with? The actual scientists. We should trust their evaluations, because they are seeking the objective truth. Instead, you are falling for the political exploitation of the truth-deniers.

I don't recall anyone trying to shut down your opinions. Criticism is what keeps our opinions sharp.

Truth. Cant argue. Can be annoyed but cant argue.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

The founding fathers were made up of the elites in society, it's not a coincidence that the right to vote wasn't universal at the time of the founding of our country. The amount of misunderstood (or poorly taught) history in this country is just astounding.

You aren't pragmatic. It will come with time.