The Thriller
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But forgiving $10,000 dollars in student loans is like socialism or something something…
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The Thriller
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I have no idea why republicans are losing in the polls to retake the Senate…
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The Thriller
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Semi-fascists on the march. This is what happens after years of fostering conspiracy and hate speech. Of course these fascists think they’re patriots, their god and savior tells them everyday how they’ve been wronged and refuses to admit that Biden won.
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Yep, Dairy Queen, the ultimate bastion of all things Democrat and Liberal. Damn fascist leftist blizzard-eating sonsabitches!
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Bucknutz
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The only reason you care is that Gov. DeSantis did it. You don’t care that Biden has been doing it. Do you care about the mess that’s at the border or are you on the side that calls anyone trying to fix it racists.
What do you think will happen when the boarder states get fed up with the immigration crisis. Everyone outside those states don’t care. Let Texas, Arizona and California deal with it. Now people are caring because it’s affecting them.
Why do you care about MV? It is a sanctuary for immigrants. All these cities that are taking on buses of immigrants from Texas are too.
Now these city mayors are having issues with taking on the buses of immigrants.
www.cnn.com
www.foxnews.com
Chicago Mayor calling this policy racist.
www.ksat.com
Yet she does the same thing.
www.foxnews.com
Did you care about this? Why didn’t you call out Biden? Is Biden racist for doing the same thing?
www.wfmz.com
americanmilitarynews.com
www.the-sun.com
nypost.com
What do you think will happen when the boarder states get fed up with the immigration crisis. Everyone outside those states don’t care. Let Texas, Arizona and California deal with it. Now people are caring because it’s affecting them.
Why do you care about MV? It is a sanctuary for immigrants. All these cities that are taking on buses of immigrants from Texas are too.
Now these city mayors are having issues with taking on the buses of immigrants.
DC mayor declares public emergency over migrant arrivals from Arizona and Texas
Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser declared a public health emergency on Thursday in response to the thousands of migrants arriving in the nation's capital by bus from Arizona and Texas.
www.cnn.com
NYC Mayor Adams says city is at 'breaking point' with arrival of migrants sent from Texas
More than 2,200 migrants have been bused to New York City from Texas since last month, prompting Mayor Eric Adams to say the city is at a "breaking point."
www.foxnews.com
Chicago Mayor calling this policy racist.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s office calls Gov. Greg Abbott’s migrant busing strategy “racist”
Abbott late Wednesday announced Chicago would be a new destination for migrants bused from Texas in his strategy to draw attention to the influx of people at the southern border. Chicago leadership welcomed the migrants “with dignity and respect.”
www.ksat.com
Yet she does the same thing.
Migrants bussed to sanctuary city Chicago are promptly shipped off to suburbs
Migrants from the Southern border were reportedly bussed to suburban Illinois hotels after being welcomed in Chicago, a move that the mayor of Burr Ridge called frustrating.
www.foxnews.com
Did you care about this? Why didn’t you call out Biden? Is Biden racist for doing the same thing?
NY GOP gov candidate shares video of migrant flight
Rob Astorino said the 51 minutes of video was recorded by a police officer's body camera.
Biden admin flying illegal immigrants to PA; could cut airports' funding if flights blocked: Report
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) secretly carried out multiple chartered flights transporting illegal immigrants to Scranton, Pa. in the
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Shock vid shows Biden admin 'secretly flying migrant kids to Tennessee'
SHOCKING video shows up to 50 migrant children being secretly flown into Tennessee in the middle of the night after they illegally entered the US. Residents are angered at a lack of transpare…
www.the-sun.com
Biden resumes ‘air illegal’ into Westchester as migrant tide grows even worse
The Biden administration has resumed sending flights of migrant children from the Mexican border to Westchester County Airport in New York late at night.
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We haven't had a good policy or approach to the immigration issue for more than 4 administrations now. Not since DACA has there been any interest in actually tackling the issue and helping these people get further ahead or be able to immigrate in an effective way, rather than using them as pawns. This is now new. The new thing is now shuttling them all over the country against their will and against the will of the communities where they are being sent. It is despicable on every level and I do not give a **** who is doing it, it is ridiculous use of human beings as pieces in a game of political control.The only reason you care is that Gov. DeSantis did it. You don’t care that Biden has been doing it. Do you care about the mess that’s at the border or are you on the side that calls anyone trying to fix it racists.
What do you think will happen when the boarder states get fed up with the immigration crisis. Everyone outside those states don’t care. Let Texas, Arizona and California deal with it. Now people are caring because it’s affecting them.
Why do you care about MV? It is a sanctuary for immigrants. All these cities that are taking on buses of immigrants from Texas are too.
Now these city mayors are having issues with taking on the buses of immigrants.
DC mayor declares public emergency over migrant arrivals from Arizona and Texas
Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser declared a public health emergency on Thursday in response to the thousands of migrants arriving in the nation's capital by bus from Arizona and Texas.
NYC Mayor Adams says city is at 'breaking point' with arrival of migrants sent from Texas
More than 2,200 migrants have been bused to New York City from Texas since last month, prompting Mayor Eric Adams to say the city is at a "breaking point."
Chicago Mayor calling this policy racist.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s office calls Gov. Greg Abbott’s migrant busing strategy “racist”
Abbott late Wednesday announced Chicago would be a new destination for migrants bused from Texas in his strategy to draw attention to the influx of people at the southern border. Chicago leadership welcomed the migrants “with dignity and respect.”
Yet she does the same thing.
Migrants bussed to sanctuary city Chicago are promptly shipped off to suburbs
Migrants from the Southern border were reportedly bussed to suburban Illinois hotels after being welcomed in Chicago, a move that the mayor of Burr Ridge called frustrating.
Did you care about this? Why didn’t you call out Biden? Is Biden racist for doing the same thing?
NY GOP gov candidate shares video of migrant flight
Rob Astorino said the 51 minutes of video was recorded by a police officer's body camera.
Biden admin flying illegal immigrants to PA; could cut airports' funding if flights blocked: Report
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) secretly carried out multiple chartered flights transporting illegal immigrants to Scranton, Pa. in the
Shock vid shows Biden admin 'secretly flying migrant kids to Tennessee'
SHOCKING video shows up to 50 migrant children being secretly flown into Tennessee in the middle of the night after they illegally entered the US. Residents are angered at a lack of transpare…
Biden resumes ‘air illegal’ into Westchester as migrant tide grows even worse
The Biden administration has resumed sending flights of migrant children from the Mexican border to Westchester County Airport in New York late at night.
Now, care to address the issue itself, or do you want us to rail on Biden some more and ignore the issue in its entirety as it seems everyone is wont to do.
Bucknutz
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Agreed
I have, with you in July.
Again, if it was me, I would pause all immigration until we take care of the people who came and are here today. This includes creating an infrastructure to handle immigration properly. Working with states and private entities to facilitate the needs of these people.
Also everyone would have to follow the laws. No solution will work if cities or states are sanctuary locations that ignore federal or state laws.
We have major issues in our country that I would make a priority, like water infrastructure, energy, homelessness, transportation, housing and healthcare. The only time I really see both parties working together is too spend money in foreign affairs. Billions to other countries in days yet we can’t do things for the American people.
I don’t see anyone in this forum rail on Biden about shuffling immigrants all over the country; just anyone on the right who does it.
Avery
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Illegal immigration has been a continued problem for decades on end. During the Trump admin, Texas, Arizona and Florida still had illegal immigrants coming over the border and they weren't bussed outside of Pence's house or sent elsewhere. It's political games and we all know it and I hate when parties continue to play these games with each other.
There should be zero doubt that border states bear the brunt of this, but we also shouldn't act like countless admins have done nothing to make legal immigration easier hence why we are where we are. Maybe Washington should actually do something about it for a change vs. pointing the finger.
There should be zero doubt that border states bear the brunt of this, but we also shouldn't act like countless admins have done nothing to make legal immigration easier hence why we are where we are. Maybe Washington should actually do something about it for a change vs. pointing the finger.
I agree there needs to be a better coordinated effort to respond to the refugees and migrants at the border. I don't see how that gets done without massive funding.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
In states overall, Florida is 4th in percent of immigrants (again, half are Cuban, or it would be 16th), Texas is 8th, and Arizona is 14th. They are not bearing a disproportionate share of dealing with the immigrant population. They're just whining about it.
What do you mean by "fix it"? Stop the flow of refugees from various criminals, by sending them back to the criminals?
I think it will be a day of the week that ends in a "y". I've heard these complaints my entire adult life.
Immigrants already move through the US. We've provided for them here in the St. Louis area. NYC has more immigrants than any 2 other US cities combined. Texas and Arizona don't have a single city in the top 10 of percentage of immigrants. Florida only has two in the top 10, and by far the largest percentage of them are Cuban (the immigrants we supposedly welcome), making up a third of the overall population.
List of United States cities by foreign-born population - Wikipedia
Miami-Dade County, Florida - Wikipedia
In states overall, Florida is 4th in percent of immigrants (again, half are Cuban, or it would be 16th), Texas is 8th, and Arizona is 14th. They are not bearing a disproportionate share of dealing with the immigrant population. They're just whining about it.
When you increase the rate of influx and not the facilities, the result is overflow.
Chicago is paying for the hotels, meals, etc. Texas is just dumping people. You think that's the same thing?
Again, transferring is not dumping.
Red
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I’m there a great deal, and have quite a few friends who live there. So it did get my attention, for that reason alone. Myself, I do live in a very diverse area. I can take a walk down to the river and watch the Hmong families using seine nets to fish, they eat our bait fish, feels like Southeast Asia. Then come home and listen to the Dominican immigrants blasting their music loud enough to rattle my windows. They’re all legal, though, just a ridiculously ethnically diverse state.
Seriously, though, sure I’d like to see a viable solution to the border problem.
Yeah, just about anything DeSantis related will get my attention at this stage. That’s very true. This essay below might have seemed extreme, even to me, until I read it, and realized, yeah, can’t argue too much with that. And, in truth, partly because I was a teacher myself for a time, and really, really value academic freedom, DeSantis’s approach to public education actually concerns me even more than the border problems. So, yeah, off topic to immigration, but DeSantis is a huge problem…
The Nazification of American Education
The crisis of education in the United States presents not only a danger to American democracy, but also the ideological and structural foundations for the emergence of a fascist state. The slide towards lawlessness and authoritarianism is now aided and abetted by educational policies that are...
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We should never obviously assume such a thing until we actually examine the numbers.
Bucknutz
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More than just funding. There needs to be an infrastructure and organization, with limits. Open boarder is not working.
Criminals. I didn’t call anyone criminals. Wow , you’re just as racist as Trump (sarcasm). I just explained it. Pause and restructure. You can’t band-aid all issues.
I think your stats are off. Not all foreign born people are undocumented boarder crossers. Wiki isn’t the best source of info.Immigrants already move through the US. We've provided for them here in the St. Louis area. NYC has more immigrants than any 2 other US cities combined. Texas and Arizona don't have a single city in the top 10 of percentage of immigrants. Florida only has two in the top 10, and by far the largest percentage of them are Cuban (the immigrants we supposedly welcome), making up a third of the overall population.
List of United States cities by foreign-born population - Wikipedia
Miami-Dade County, Florida - Wikipedia
In states overall, Florida is 4th in percent of immigrants (again, half are Cuban, or it would be 16th), Texas is 8th, and Arizona is 14th. They are not bearing a disproportionate share of dealing with the immigrant population. They're just whining about it.
I would use this or another chart based off of data.
Infographic: Where Do Undocumented Immigrants Live in the U.S.?
This chart shows estimates for undocumented immigrant populations in the U.S. in 2017.
www.statista.com
California, Texas and Florida are the ones taking in most immigrants.
So you’re saying there isn’t an influx at the boarder? From the government:
It’s probably worse than you thought. Doubling in a year…
If that is not an influx, I don’t know what is. NYC with a few thousand, the 3 southern boarder states with hundreds of thousands.
Yep. Texas has facilities and food for immigrants. Probably just not enough for an extra million people.
Trump vetoed this policy:
Proposal to fly migrants to Florida, other states scrapped after Trump intervenes
A plan by U.S. Customs and Border Protection to potentially fly migrants to other cities fell apart this week after President Donald Trump intervened.
abcnews.go.com
Yes, transferring is dumping, shuffling or what other term you want. If Florida doesn’t want to take on more immigrants, then Biden is dumping them there.
Bucknutz
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Yep, lived in very diverse locations. I love it and feel like it’s the best environment to raise kids.
I served 6 months in Oroville California on a mission in a Hmong ward/branch. Ate some interesting food and had the best time there.
As do I.
Yeah, just about anything DeSantis related will get my attention at this stage. That’s very true. This essay below might have seemed extreme, even to me, until I read it, and realized, yeah, can’t argue too much with that. And, in truth, partly because I was a teacher myself for a time, and really, really value academic freedom, DeSantis’s approach to public education actually concerns me even more than the border problems. So, yeah, off topic to immigration, but DeSantis is a huge problem…
The Nazification of American Education
The crisis of education in the United States presents not only a danger to American democracy, but also the ideological and structural foundations for the emergence of a fascist state. The slide towards lawlessness and authoritarianism is now aided and abetted by educational policies that are...
CounterPunch Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media
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Hyper left partisan, won’t entertain or spend time on that article. Just like I don’t read hyper right partisan nonsense.
Bucknutz
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It is absolutely a political game. Washington is not serious about this issue. Trump didn’t bus the immigrants to other locations but cities played the sanctuary game and called Trump racist.
The game changed to the right by busing or flying immigrants to these sanctuary locations.
Neither are looking for a solution.
Easier and limits. We can’t take everyone from everywhere.
The Thriller
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What does "fix" the border mean?
Stop immigrants from coming here?
Stop refugees from requesting asylum?
Streamline the immigration process? Issue out more worker visas?
Militarize more/Demilitarize the border?
Build a wall?
Something else???
I think we need to agree first what it means when people say, "fix the border" since that can mean one thing to one person and something completely different to another.
Also, weren't Republicans just bitching like 5 mins ago about human trafficking and the long wait times in the service industry and the high cost of food? How can one be concerned with human trafficking and not be appalled by what Abbott and DeSantis are doing? How can one be angry about the worker shortage our country currently has but also discourage refugees and immigrants from coming here?
I hope we aren't letting white grievance lead our views here on "the border crisis."
Stop immigrants from coming here?
Stop refugees from requesting asylum?
Streamline the immigration process? Issue out more worker visas?
Militarize more/Demilitarize the border?
Build a wall?
Something else???
I think we need to agree first what it means when people say, "fix the border" since that can mean one thing to one person and something completely different to another.
Also, weren't Republicans just bitching like 5 mins ago about human trafficking and the long wait times in the service industry and the high cost of food? How can one be concerned with human trafficking and not be appalled by what Abbott and DeSantis are doing? How can one be angry about the worker shortage our country currently has but also discourage refugees and immigrants from coming here?
I hope we aren't letting white grievance lead our views here on "the border crisis."
There is an infrastructure and organization, and we don't have open borders. Porous, perhaps.
That's who the refugees are fleeing from. What happens to them while we are restructuring?
I agree. The source for the Wikipedia information is the US Census, but that should be checked against the actual Census figures. The source for the Statista page are "Pew Research Center estimates". With all due respect to the Pew Research Center, I truest the Census more.
Also, I think you have the problem off. Undocumented immigrants are not, for the most part, the ones straining government resources. They come here, they work, they pay taxes (if not always income, then property and sales taxes). DeSantis/Abbott/etc. aren't sending people they don't know abut to other places, they're sending the documented immigrants (refugees, children, etc.).
I believe I just agreed with you above that we need more resources and funding to deal with immigrants. That would be because of the increase. I could have been clearer there.
Which are scattered across the US after they enter.
I have no objection to either getting Texas more resources or Texas coordinating the transfer of people to other states (as opposed to dumping without warning). However, most of that million are asking Texas for help, they're just trying to find work.
Shuffling is also not dumping. If you are providing the money/resources to take care of these people, you're not dumping them.
Immigrants are being shuffled all over the country.
RandyForRubio
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The rhetoric for this, and for a man hiding outside a SC Justice's house with weapons and gear for abduction seem to be different coming from you. I wonder why.