The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[fishonjazz]

What you have constructed here is a straw man.

I agree with your first statement. It should be law enforcement doing criminal investigations. As for the rest of your post, I've been very open that I do not have a problem with charging or prosecuting Trump. When laws are broken, there should be consequences. From a political standpoint, if the FBI is slave to the democrat party then this move was genius. Trump has too many negatives to beat a democrat in the next presidential election, but this attack on Trump will bring a resolve to Trump's base which will likely serve to get him the nomination over DeSantis whom the democrats cannot beat.

My pointing out the reasons behind why those on the political right no longer trust the FBI had nothing to do with the rain on Mar-o-Lago. They have more to do with things like Andrew McCabe getting caught in at least 3 instances of lying to investigators but nothing happening to him including his keeping his pension. With the FBI, many are noting a political bias to the way things are being handled.

Why do you say “if” the fbi are slave to the democratic party? I think they are slave to the republican party for investigating hillary and hunter.
I mean the head of the fbi was appointed by trump himself. Gotta be republicans wearing badges.


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... but this attack on Trump will bring a resolve to Trump's base which will likely serve to get him the nomination over DeSantis whom the democrats cannot beat.

What about DeSantis's political history makes you think he's unbeatable in 2024?

 

[Bucknutz]

To be fair, most of the people I have heard express continuing support of Trump say it is because they value policies over character. I think many Republican voters who did not vote for Trump did so not because they were disappointed with his policies but because his behavior was just too much for them to ignore.

Strong southern boarder is important to them.

Anti-Muslim policies and rhetoric is important to them.

Ultra-conservative Supreme Court justices is important to them.

Lower taxes (regardless of them disproportionally helping the very wealthy) is important to them.

Cutting restrictions in general but especially environmental regulations that they believe cost jobs is important to them.

Last but certainly not least, owning the libs is important to them.

Many were perfectly happy with Trump's performance and/or effort on those issues. Some felt that despite that Trump simply isn't fit for office (because he very clearly isn't) so they didn't vote for him in 2020. Independent voters in particular, who are less passionate about the above in general, couldn't vote to re-elect him. Anti-Trump voters who might not even care about politics at all came out specifically to vote against Trump because they absolutely can't believe he was elected President in 2016 and were not going to stand by and possibly let that happen again.

This is pretty accurate, just not the Anti-Muslim policies. I think you could also add that the right liked him being a fighter. (Yes, some people think he is a bully but others like how he stands up media and the left). I personally don't understand why people say he isn't fit for office, just because you hate the guy, the things he says, his relationships, his eithics, his businesses etc... doesn't make him unfit. Just like when the right was saying Obama wasn't fit because he was a 1/2 term senator and no experience. When people say unfit, what metrics do they use and do they use the same metrics across the board on all politicians? If someone is not moral, what morals are considered unqualified.
You need to be 35, natural born citizen and a resident for the last 14 years are the requirements. All the other issues people have with the candidates should be vetted in the primary and the general election. If the candidate is elected then they should be fit because they won the support of the people. Health is also vetted, remember Hillary falling into a van.
I don't want Trump to run in 2024 because I believe when presidents are closing in or are in their 80's, then mentally they slow down and can be mentally unfit. I don't think Biden is there yet, but you can see him slowing down over the last few years and it will be a major issue with independents in 2024. I hope he doesn't run either and we get some new candidates to choose from.

 

[LogGrad98]

This is pretty accurate, just not the Anti-Muslim policies. I think you could also add that the right liked him being a fighter. (Yes, some people think he is a bully but others like how he stands up media and the left). I personally don't understand why people say he isn't fit for office, just because you hate the guy, the things he says, his relationships, his eithics, his businesses etc... doesn't make him unfit. Just like when the right was saying Obama wasn't fit because he was a 1/2 term senator and no experience. When people say unfit, what metrics do they use and do they use the same metrics across the board on all politicians? If someone is not moral, what morals are considered unqualified.
You need to be 35, natural born citizen and a resident for the last 14 years are the requirements. All the other issues people have with the candidates should be vetted in the primary and the general election. If the candidate is elected then they should be fit because they won the support of the people. Health is also vetted, remember Hillary falling into a van.
I don't want Trump to run in 2024 because I believe when presidents are closing in or are in their 80's, then mentally they slow down and can be mentally unfit. I don't think Biden is there yet, but you can see him slowing down over the last few years and it will be a major issue with independents in 2024. I hope he doesn't run either and we get some new candidates to choose from.

I would argue that ethics would make one unfit for the role of president. You could argue that relationships do as well. It depends on how these factors influence what you do as president. Obviously his ethics allowed him to ignore the attack on the capital to the extent that we lost lives needlessly. That makes him unfit, imo. He had the means to do something about it and didn't do anything to stop it. That is not what a president should do. So, maybe these intangible traits are not immediate disqualifiers, but they should still be a big part of what we look at in a candidate, for, more often than not, what you value will guide what you do, and if those values are not in line with the best things for the country, then you stand a good chance to be a detriment if not outright destructive to the institution of president and the country you are sworn to protect.

But obviously you cannot codify that. It is too nebulous. It does, hopefully, get weeded out in the electoral process. But that is pretty flawed as well. The average citizen is just too driven by soundbites and is not discerning enough to really dig into each candidate. Instead they hear "fake news" and grasp onto that because, *gasp* I think the news is fake too!! That guy is great!! All too often that is how the decisions are made. And that is pretty scary.

 

[fishonjazz]

I personally don't understand why people say he isn't fit for office, just because you hate the guy, the things he says, his relationships, his eithics,

Kinda answered your own question. I would add his fraudulent university, literally zero experience or qualifications, using charity fraudulently, getting impeached twice, encouraging of a riot at the white house in order to overturn an election, misappropriation of funds for his border wall, misappropriation of funds for the stop the steal campaign, asking military if we can simply shoot protesters, pardoning his friends who get convicted, firing anyone who disagrees with him, hiring unqualified family members for government positions, sleeping with a porn star as a few more reasons.
There are many

 

[Bucknutz]

What about DeSantis's political history makes you think he's unbeatable in 2024?

I think he is the fighter the right likes, the way he governs Florida, pro parents, school choice, shut down riots and political harassment, fiscally responsible, covid response, pro law enforcement, school curriculum. Military background, Large State Governor, can raise money, Yale and Harvard educated, young. He has great opportunity in 2024, but anyone can be beat (Hillary).

 

[Bucknutz]

I would argue that ethics would make one unfit for the role of president. You could argue that relationships do as well. It depends on how these factors influence what you do as president. Obviously his ethics allowed him to ignore the attack on the capital to the extent that we lost lives needlessly. That makes him unfit, imo. He had the means to do something about it and didn't do anything to stop it. That is not what a president should do. So, maybe these intangible traits are not immediate disqualifiers, but they should still be a big part of what we look at in a candidate, for, more often than not, what you value will guide what you do, and if those values are not in line with the best things for the country, then you stand a good chance to be a detriment if not outright destructive to the institution of president and the country you are sworn to protect.

Great response. Trump didn't change when he got into office. The nation saw what his ethics, relationships and governing style daily what it is all about and then voted him out.

But obviously you cannot codify that. It is too nebulous. It does, hopefully, get weeded out in the electoral process. But that is pretty flawed as well. The average citizen is just too driven by soundbites and is not discerning enough to really dig into each candidate. Instead they hear "fake news" and grasp onto that because, *gasp* I think the news is fake too!! That guy is great!! All too often that is how the decisions are made. And that is pretty scary.

You can see this on the left as well. Take the "don't say gay" (sound bite) bill in Florida, which people didn't dig into the bill. Once they did, it was a popular bill. This is used all over politics and it is pretty scary that people make their decisions off of soundbites.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Your country is ****ed. Both sides of politics are pathetic

 

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... pro parents, ...

All politicians are pro-parents.

 

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Once they did, it was a popular bill.

Why do you conclude this?

 

[LogGrad98]

Great response. Trump didn't change when he got into office. The nation saw what his ethics, relationships and governing style daily what it is all about and then voted him out.


You can see this on the left as well. Take the "don't say gay" (sound bite) bill in Florida, which people didn't dig into the bill. Once they did, it was a popular bill. This is used all over politics and it is pretty scary that people make their decisions off of soundbites.

Yea notice I said "average citizen" and not "average republican".

 

[Bucknutz]

Kinda answered your own question. I would add his fraudulent university, literally zero experience or qualifications, using charity fraudulently,

This was vetted and he was still elected, doesn't make him unfit.

getting impeached twice,

This was after he was elected and then voted out

encouraging of a riot at the white house in order to overturn an election,

Once again, after he was elected and voted out.

misappropriation of funds for his border wall,

Are you talking about a private border wall of Trump supporters?

misappropriation of funds for the stop the steal campaign,

After the election, On par with his business history. If he runs, this will be vetted.

asking military if we can simply shoot protesters,

Don't know the context or real details...just one person said this (Mark Esper) Does sending a drone to kill a family make the current president unfit?

pardoning his friends who get convicted,

After he was elected, was then voted out.

firing anyone who disagrees with him,

Doesn't make someone unfit

hiring unqualified family members for government positions,

Doesn't make someone unfit, no different in hiring friends.

sleeping with a porn star as a few more reasons.

This was vetted and he was still elected