Sardines
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In a caucus you ALWAYS have to be there in person and stay for the entire event.
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Which is why we keep on electing worse and worse candidates. The caucus encourages Extremism. The most passionate attend these awful meetings. What normal person can attend some random Tuesday night from 5 until late? So the extremists then elect extremist candidates. What was once an extremist candidate a cycle or two ago, is now a moderate RINO establishment politician. So the caucus nominates an even more extremist candidate. And the cycle repeats itself. It’s how Utah went from being fairly moderate 20 years ago to MAGA country now. It’s why Mike Lee began his career as a tea party darling and is now pretending to be a MAGAt. Same with Spence Cox. He’s afraid that if he isn’t punching the LGBT community that his own party will throw his *** out.
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It has only happened once
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What has only happened once? The caucus system has been in place for years in Utah. And it’s just become an amplifier of extremism. So much so that even former proponents of the system are finally coming around to getting rid of it:
Opinion: I’ve supported Utah’s caucus-convention system for decades. It’s time to give it up.
“Primaries conducted via mail in ballots in particular result in markedly greater voter participation while also offering greater election security than do votes conducted at caucus. Let’s stop perpetuating a system that leaves so few speaking for so many.”
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There has got to be a few things we can do to reform our primary system and elections to help temper extremism and incentivize moderation and compromise. I’ve been interested in this book for a while. Haven’t read it yet but I’ve listened to its author a few times. Right now the caucus system excludes most voters. The primaries are just a contest mostly of who can out extreme the other. And the general election is mostly already decided by whichever state or district’s party is in control. It’s not a system designed to work in a diverse multi cultural democratic society. We desperately need some reform. Government is supposed to be able to work. I feel bad for young people who have only experienced the tea party obstructionism and now MAGA authoritarianism.
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I look fwd to seeing the film. And I could not agree more that the belief many Americans have/had concerning our nation’s “exceptionalism” only makes us less vigilant. The corollary being “it can’t happen here”, when considering dictatorship. Not sure there’s ever been a good reason to think we are somehow sharper than other nations.
‘Civil War’ Director Blasts “Incredibly Dangerous” Political Divide in Interview
Filmmaker Alex Garland explained why it makes sense for 'Civil War' to come out during an election year, why Texas and California are allies in the film, and the slammed the political polarization: "One thing history shows us is that [no country] is immune. Nobody is exceptional."
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“At one point, Garland rather passionately pointed out that Civil War is trying to create a conversation about political divisiveness in general that vilifies the other side; ratcheting up rhetoric into an ethical debate which makes it easier to see others as evil — and once somebody is considered morally wrong, their opponents can justify all sorts of extreme measures to stop them.
“Why are we talking and not listening?” he asked. “We’ve lost trust in the media and politicians. And some in the media are wonderful and some politicians are wonderful—on both sides of the divide. I have a political position and I have good friends on the other side of that political divide. Honestly, I’m not trying to be cute: What’s so hard about that? Why are we shutting [conversation] down? Left and right are ideological arguments about how to run a state. That’s all they are. They are not a right or wrong, or good and bad. It’s which do you think has greater efficacy? That’s it. You try one, and if that doesn’t work out, you vote it out, and you try again a different way. That’s a process. But we’ve made it into ‘good and bad.’ We made it into a moral issue, and it’s ****ing idiotic, and incredibly dangerous … I personally [blame] some of this on social media. There is a an interaction that exists human-to-human that floats away when it reaches a public forum.”
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Seems like he’s talking about this sad trend, which The Thriller posted earlier…
‘We are losing our kids to a satanic cult,’ Sen. Tommy Tuberville warns during Utah campaign stop
Alabama Republican U.S. Sen. Tommy Tuberville had a stark warning for the approximately 100 Utah GOP delegates who crowded into a Bluffdale warehouse to hear him speak on Friday afternoon: Malevolent supernatural forces are working to undermine America.
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‘Everything he is saying isn’t true’: Congolese governments denounce Trump’s baseless stories about emptied prisons
There is no evidence for former President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that “the Congo” has emptied prisons to allow violent criminals to come to the US border as migrants – and the governments of both the Democratic Republic of Congo and the neighboring Republic of Congo say Trump’s...
Trump said during a Fox News town hall in late February: “We have people coming in from everywhere. They’re coming in from the Congo. They interviewed some people last night. ‘Where are you from?’ ‘Congo.’ ‘Where did you live?’ ‘Prison.’ They’re emptying out their prisons into our country.”
Trump said, “The Congo – a very big population coming in from jails from the Congo. You look at the jails now, you take a look at the jails throughout the region, but more importantly, throughout the world. They’re emptying out because they’re dumping them into the United States.”
Trump’s claims are baseless. Experts on the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Republic of Congo, plus both pro-immigration and anti-immigration organizations in the US, told CNN they have not seen any evidence of Congolese prisons being emptied. Trump’s presidential campaign and an allied super PAC did not respond to requests to provide any evidence. A CNN search of two media databases turned up no evidence. And federal figures show that there is no “very big” influx of Congolese migrants of any kind, let alone former prisoners in particular.
But media databases contain no corroboration for these stories. And human rights organizations that monitor the Democratic Republic of Congo and neighboring Republic of Congo say they know of no evidence for them.
“I’ve not heard anything about emptying of Congolese prisons,” Lewis Mudge, Central Africa director for Human Rights Watch, said of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Amnesty International senior researcher Abdoulaye Diarra, who studies the Republic of Congo, told CNN in a text message on Friday: “To my knowledge and according to other Congolese organisations, there has been no mass release of prisoners from Congolese prisons” in the Republic of Congo.
two US organizations that advocate reduced immigration levels in search of any evidence for Trump’s claims about emptied Congolese prisons, since these groups sometimes serve as sources for Trump’s rhetoric about the border. One responded: “We don’t have any information about this one way or the other,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies.
And the pro-immigration Migration Policy Institute, which said it is unaware of any country emptying prisons to send people to the US, noted that Trump’s stories about “the Congo” are just the latest in his series of unsubstantiated claims about foreign countries supposedly emptying prisons and mental health facilities for nefarious migration purposes. “This week, the Congo. In the past, Latin America.
Tomorrow, likely another country,” spokesperson Michelle Mittelstadt scoffed of Trump’s claims.
Indeed, Trump has a habit of making his false or unsubstantiated stories more dramatic or colorful over time.
His claims about “the Congo” are part of a long-running series on the same theme. He has for years made baseless claims that various foreign countries are intentionally sending violent and otherwise undesirable people to the US as migrants. During his 2016 presidential campaign, for example, he made such claims about Mexico.
Then, while running again in 2023, Trump repeatedly told an unsubstantiated story about mental health institutions in South America, including “insane asylums,” being deliberately emptied for nefarious migration purposes. Trump’s campaign was unable to provide any corroboration for that story, though he had repeatedly cited a supposed media report.
Trump also made unproven claims in 2023 about migrants being emptied out of foreign prisons. By January 2024, he was referring specifically to migrants who had been prisoners in “the Congo.” Then, by February 2024, he was claiming that the Congolese migrants acknowledged having been incarcerated for “murder.”
He has never provided a specific source for any of these remarks.
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I'm not of age yet, I've got more than 20 years before I'm old enough to be elected in America.
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Trump had an astounding number of cabinet officials. 44 in one term is a clear indication of chaos and incompetence. And in the end, only four of them (all seditious traitors) support his candidacy.
Mike Pence won't endorse Donald Trump in 2024: 'It should come as no surprise'
Former Vice President Mike Pence said Friday he will not be endorsing his former boss Donald Trump in the 2024 general election. Appearing on Fox News, Pence said he "cannot in good conscience" back Trump as there are "profound differences" between their views on various issues. Pence, who...www.yahoo.com
"During my presidential campaign, I made it clear there were profound differences between me and President Trump on a range of issues, not just our difference on my constitutional duties that I exercised on Jan. 6," Pence said.
Trump's pressure on Pence to reject the 2020 election results (which Pence said endangered his family's life on Jan. 6) prompted a rift in their relationship, and prompted Pence to argue on the campaign trial that his efforts to overturn his election loss should be disqualifying.
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Guy who worked closely with Trump for 4ys. as vp will not endorse him, he knows him very well, strong message here.
90% of trumps former cabinet will not endorse him, in addition to his own VP.
They all saw first hand how uniquely unfit he is for that office. How is that not resonating more with R voters?
Cult.
Endorsed by zero previous presidents. Not by his own VP. Unequivocally the worst choice for the job in the history of candidates.
Most people that were on Trump's staff who were of any consequence won't endorse him. They know what he's about.
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It's just funny that the Trump dementia Communist propaganda(I mean that, taking a blatant deception like taking a 2 second clip and editing it to feed and addiction was a staple in Communism) didn't work and how silent Democrats have because after the massive failure on that propagated angle. Dude's out campaigning non stop and the Commie(you also arrested a political opponent while you call others Nazis) can't only find an edited 2 second clip. Good stuff @fishonjazz and @Red
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True! 40 were part of the soros Clinton Obama Epstein Weinstein Castro deep state. They weren’t truly MAGA.