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Red said:
DeSantis landslide must be getting him pumped for 2024. And he should be. He’s been sent by God. God is dumping Trump??

(Hint: Ron DeSantis is a very, very dangerous man. And Christian Nationalism isn’t Christian. It’s a path to an Americanized fascism).




View: https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1588654091252948992

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Really though narcissists and psychopaths in positions of leadership like this shouldn't surprise anyone. There is a high incidence of psychopathy and narcissism among high level leaders in all facets of life. It's often these exact traits that allow them to brush off criticism and make the impassioned case for their opinions, and to shift with the tides, that lead to high levels of success, because human emotion and things like ethics and morality can seriously get in the way of rising to power like that. Psychopaths and narcissists are not hampered by such petty things.

But yeah, that's seriously ****ed up.
 
Keefe said:
Why are you happy Desantis is your governor?
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Biggest thing for me, is I know that if the Federal Government tries to force people to do something, he will put a stop to it. I know most people in here were/are for the vaccine mandate. I was not (why I came back and voiced my opinion at the time). He shut that down at the State level. Made it optional. I own my own business so it did not affect me either way, but I don’t agree with Federal mandates.

Most people in here were/are for the lockdowns. I was for about 2 weeks, like I was told. Realized pretty quickly lockdowns we’re not going to work like we were being told. I also took a major financial hit for being locked down. He too realized that and opened up the state in 3 weeks. My customers set their boundaries with my business, not the Government. Which worked out really well for both sides.

During the first year of Covid, it seemed like we lived in a different world. When we had visitors from other states come down, they felt more normal.

He also made sure schools were open that fall. You can see in recent reports what happened in children because they missed so much school.

I am a huge supporter of school choice. He expanded the step up program to add 28,000 more students each year to use their school tax money to go to other schools. We don’t get the full amount because it’s based off of earnings but it helps with the cost of a small private school for my son. My daughter wanted to go public for sports. In my sons school most of the kids are from a low-socioeconomic household or immigrants (about 3 in his 30 class fled Ukraine). His school costs about $8000 a year and I think the max amount you can receive is $7500. So it covers most of it. The school also lets parents volunteer hours to make up the difference.

I think most people outside of the state hear about him in a negative way, but most of it is not true or missing a lot of context. There is a reason why he won by 20 points. There are even more reasons I’m a fan of his (including the Hurricane management compared to Michael (Rick Scott)).
 
Bucknutz said:
Biggest thing for me, is I know that if the Federal Government tries to force people to do something, he will put a stop to it. I know most people in here were/are for the vaccine mandate. I was not (why I came back and voiced my opinion at the time). He shut that down at the State level. Made it optional. I own my own business so it did not affect me either way, but I don’t agree with Federal mandates.

Most people in here were/are for the lockdowns. I was for about 2 weeks, like I was told. Realized pretty quickly lockdowns we’re not going to work like we were being told. I also took a major financial hit for being locked down. He too realized that and opened up the state in 3 weeks. My customers set their boundaries with my business, not the Government. Which worked out really well for both sides.

During the first year of Covid, it seemed like we lived in a different world. When we had visitors from other states come down, they felt more normal.

He also made sure schools were open that fall. You can see in recent reports what happened in children because they missed so much school.

I am a huge supporter of school choice. He expanded the step up program to add 28,000 more students each year to use their school tax money to go to other schools. We don’t get the full amount because it’s based off of earnings but it helps with the cost of a small private school for my son. My daughter wanted to go public for sports. In my sons school most of the kids are from a low-socioeconomic household or immigrants (about 3 in his 30 class fled Ukraine). His school costs about $8000 a year and I think the max amount you can receive is $7500. So it covers most of it. The school also lets parents volunteer hours to make up the difference.

I think most people outside of the state hear about him in a negative way, but most of it is not true or missing a lot of context. There is a reason why he won by 20 points. There are even more reasons I’m a fan of his (including the Hurricane management compared to Michael (Rick Scott)).
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Yeah, my issues with him were with underreporting Covid. Hiding the facts about that. I obviously have no way to prove he was the person behind it but it was fairly obvious what was happening. Underreport Covid, make it seem like it’s not as bad as it was, and call it pneumonia. The one nurse who tried to expose the fraudulence was then arrested at her home. It’s just nonsense. I know you’re seemingly for less government control and oversight but that’s exactly what he was doing. Controlling the narrative.

Additionally, what I can only assume is direct influence over the teacher shortage there is laughable. Allowing people off the streets (ex-military were those mentioned iirc) with absolutely no background in education to step into a classroom and begin teaching is a travesty.

Again, I have no way to prove he was behind that. But I’m sure he has heavy influence over your state’s commissioner for your Department of Education.

Having said all that, I appreciate everything you’ve said and don’t necessarily disagree with much of it. One point I do question is the federal government being able to mandate certain things. For instance, if the transmission rate and mortality rate was say 3-4x as bad as it was, should we still let people choose to remain in lockdown or not? Even if it means preventing an all out plague not seen in a millennium? Should we all have to suffer (and die—again in my scenario) because people find it too difficult simply to remain in their house for a few weeks (or a month) to watch Netflix? Now, I’m a teacher and have the luxury of working from home in said situation. I know I’m not in the shoes of others. Many people do not have that luxury. But if the government stepped in and immediately said we’ll foot half the hill for those who can’t work in person, the employer foots the other half or some ****, wouldn’t that be fine? Inflation seems like a far better outcome than billions of people dying.

Idk. I felt and still feel that Covid was a warning to us. It was like a tune-up game to get ready for the real thing that’s coming. And we failed with flying colors. Our government’s infrastructure is still a joke and they won’t change **** in any real way.

Anyway, I’m rambling. Really just more of an interesting philosophical debate for when **** really hits the fan when it does at some point. Not judging you or your take.
 
Keefe said:
Additionally, what I can only assume is direct influence over the teacher shortage there is laughable. Allowing people off the streets (ex-military were those mentioned iirc) with absolutely no background in education to step into a classroom and begin teaching is a travesty.

Again, I have no way to prove he was behind that. But I’m sure he has heavy influence over your state’s commissioner for your Department of Education.
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He is no friend of academic freedom at the university level. Which is appalling, IMO…

www.aaup.org

A Relentless Crusade to Destroy Higher Education in Florida

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed into law Senate Bill 7044, which takes aim at tenure by initiating five-year reviews of tenured faculty.
www.aaup.org www.aaup.org

www.wmnf.org

MidPoint: Academic Freedom is Under Attack in Florida

Over the past 2 years, the DeSantis administration has undertaken a complete reform of education policies constraining academic freedom by the Stop Woke law. In the state colleges and universities, professors are concerned.
www.wmnf.org www.wmnf.org

dianeravitch.net

DeSantis’ Laws Threaten Research and Speech in Higher Education

Florida professors are feeling the chilling effect of Ron DeSantis’ gag orders and bans on teaching about race and gender. DeSantis will not stop his crusade for censorship in K-12. Higher educatio…
dianeravitch.net dianeravitch.net
 
You've already seen this with the convos and interviews many soon to be seated R's are making, but it's unmistakable that many of them are really trying to push on the future and not the past. They've seen the numbers and the narrative and they know that they don't have to be centrists, but they know that tying themselves to Trump is not going to give them a long political life. It's why you see so many of them pining behind Desantis as a future vs. past statement.

Make no mistake, things are going to get very nasty on the R side the next two years and Desantis vs. Trump is going to be a 15 round heavyweight bout. Shots are already being fired and it will dominate the newscycle and the only focus on Biden will be if the house takes up more investigations (poor political move IMO, I think Americans in general are done with the government investigating the government with the state of our country).
 
Washington Post. No paywall. Nearly every election denying Secretary of State candidate lost! Lol. Seems to me somebody here was fond of telling me, that I, and other “Leftists” on the forum, were spreading a “fake narrative” for attacking MAGA, and, further, that economic issues were FAR bigger than my foolish fear of MAGA, and my “fake narrative” about MAGA being a “threat to democracy”. Fake narrative? Not so!

 
Keefe said:
Yeah, my issues with him were with underreporting Covid. Hiding the facts about that. I obviously have no way to prove he was the person behind it but it was fairly obvious what was happening. Underreport Covid, make it seem like it’s not as bad as it was, and call it pneumonia. The one nurse who tried to expose the fraudulence was then arrested at her home. It’s just nonsense. I know you’re seemingly for less government control and oversight but that’s exactly what he was doing.
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It wasn’t a nurse (data science) and it didn’t happen exactly what was nationally reported.

Wasn’t a cover up:
www.nbcnews.com

Florida IG report: 'Insufficient evidence' for DeSantis critic's claims of Covid cover-up

Three accusations by fired health worker Rebekah Jones were "unsubstantiated," and officials she had accused of wrongdoing were "exonerated."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Here is an article of the numbers being off.
www.wfla.com

Florida audit of COVID-19 data finds gaps in number of cases, deaths reported

A review of Florida’s COVID-19 case and mortality data produced by the state’s Auditor General found the amount of cases and deaths to COVID-19 reported by the Department of Health were…
www.wfla.com

Here is why she was arrested:

Woman arrested for illegal access to state computer system

www.fdle.state.fl.us www.fdle.state.fl.us

This is why I think context is missing a lot in national news. People run with something even though it is false.

Take the Pelosi attack. A local news agency reported that both people were in underwear. The right took it and ran with it saying they were gay lovers in their underwear. Well that’s not what happened. Same with DeSantis stories. DeSantis isn’t perfect but follow up on some of the stories being told, they are different than the original stories that came out.

I’m out in the field today but I can respond to the rest. I appreciated your response.
 
Bucknutz said:
It wasn’t a nurse (data science) and it didn’t happen exactly what was nationally reported.

Wasn’t a cover up:
www.nbcnews.com

Florida IG report: 'Insufficient evidence' for DeSantis critic's claims of Covid cover-up

Three accusations by fired health worker Rebekah Jones were "unsubstantiated," and officials she had accused of wrongdoing were "exonerated."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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From that article:
The report did not examine one of Jones’ most explosives claims: that Florida intentionally hid deaths to make the pandemic seem less deadly.
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Bucknutz said:
Here is an article of the numbers being off.
www.wfla.com

Florida audit of COVID-19 data finds gaps in number of cases, deaths reported

A review of Florida’s COVID-19 case and mortality data produced by the state’s Auditor General found the amount of cases and deaths to COVID-19 reported by the Department of Health were…
www.wfla.com
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This link verified that the numbers were underreported. It does attribute some (most?) of them to non-intentional causes.

Bucknutz said:
Here is why she was arrested:

Woman arrested for illegal access to state computer system

www.fdle.state.fl.us www.fdle.state.fl.us

This is why I think context is missing a lot in national news. People run with something even though it is false.
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en.wikipedia.org

Rebekah Jones - Wikipedia

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She's definitely a woman with issues, but doesn't seem to be a hacker, sand claims to have relied on confidential sources.
 
Dems might actually get 51 seats in the Senate so that what's his face DINO won't matter any more.

EDIT: Joe Manchin, he's the DINO.

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It might be confusing to non-children. In the sewer of the Republican party they call non-sewer dwellers RINOs which means "Republican in name only." The Democrats don't actually use this term, because they aren't children, but I used it and it's DINO (Democrat in name only) and Joe Manchin is basically the main guy on DINO island.
 
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My 401K went up a bunch recently. Dont know why but thats cool.
 
Gameface said:
Dems might actually get 51 seats in the Senate so that what's his face DINO won't matter any more.

EDIT: Joe Manchin, he's the DINO.

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It might be confusing to non-children. In the sewer of the Republican party they call non-sewer dwellers RINOs which means "Republican in name only." The Democrats don't actually use this term, because they aren't children, but I used it and it's DINO (Democrat in name only) and Joe Manchin is basically the main guy on DINO island.
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That would be the best case scenario. If Democrats can win in Nevada then the runoff in Georgia becomes less important. In fact, it might help speed the need for the GOP to dump Trump. If however, the GOP wins Nevada then the control of the Senate will hang in the balance. look for the GOP and MAGA to join forces once again to pull Walker across the finish line. If they can win both Nevada and Georgia then they’ll control the Senate.
 
I should also add, for sake of governing, it would be nice if Dems could have a slight majority in the Senate. That way we won’t always have to cater to King and Queen Manchin and Sinema to pass anything.
 
Red said:
They stole the electron! They stole the electron!


View: https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1591294407881342976


Bad call, people are really getting sick of this narrative, I think.
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It’s also ironic the projection here. Waiting in long lines? Having to do other things?

I seem to remember several states passing voter suppression laws over the last two years. Some even made it illegal to serve water in long lines. Were those blue states?
 
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