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Wall Street is rising again Thursday following its big rally the day before on excitement that several cuts to interest rates may indeed be coming next year, as hoped.

The Standard & Poor's 500 was 0.6% higher in early trading and within 1.3% of its all-time high set early last year. The Dow Jones industrial average was up 93 points, or 0.3%, and on track to set a record for a second straight day, as of 9:35 a.m. Eastern. The Nasdaq composite was 0.6% higher.

But the rally for stocks and drop for Treasury yields seem to be banking on the Federal Reserve pulling off what was considered a long shot not long ago.

The hope is that the Fed can manage its interest-rate policy exactly right: first, by slowing the economy and hurting investment prices enough through high interest rates to snuff out inflation, and then by making conditions easier at the right time to prevent the economy from slowing too much and sliding into a painful recession.

That’s still not assured, as both Fed officials and cautious investors are warning.

One threat is that the economy stays too hot, which would keep upward pressure on inflation and could force the Fed to at least keep rates high for longer or hike them again.

A couple reports on Thursday may have flagged such threats. One showed U.S. shoppers spent more at retailers in November than October, when economists were forecasting a slight decline. Another report said fewer U.S. workers applied for jobless benefits last week, a signal of a remarkably resilient job market.

Treasury yields briefly undid some of their declines following the reports, which were both stronger than economists expected. But traders are still betting on a better than three-in-four chance that the Federal Reserve will cut its main interest rate by at least 1.50 percentage points next year, according to data from CME Group. That’s double what the median Fed official is expecting.
 

Wall Street is rising again Thursday following its big rally the day before on excitement that several cuts to interest rates may indeed be coming next year, as hoped.

The Standard & Poor's 500 was 0.6% higher in early trading and within 1.3% of its all-time high set early last year. The Dow Jones industrial average was up 93 points, or 0.3%, and on track to set a record for a second straight day, as of 9:35 a.m. Eastern. The Nasdaq composite was 0.6% higher.

But the rally for stocks and drop for Treasury yields seem to be banking on the Federal Reserve pulling off what was considered a long shot not long ago.

The hope is that the Fed can manage its interest-rate policy exactly right: first, by slowing the economy and hurting investment prices enough through high interest rates to snuff out inflation, and then by making conditions easier at the right time to prevent the economy from slowing too much and sliding into a painful recession.

That’s still not assured, as both Fed officials and cautious investors are warning.

One threat is that the economy stays too hot, which would keep upward pressure on inflation and could force the Fed to at least keep rates high for longer or hike them again.

A couple reports on Thursday may have flagged such threats. One showed U.S. shoppers spent more at retailers in November than October, when economists were forecasting a slight decline. Another report said fewer U.S. workers applied for jobless benefits last week, a signal of a remarkably resilient job market.

Treasury yields briefly undid some of their declines following the reports, which were both stronger than economists expected. But traders are still betting on a better than three-in-four chance that the Federal Reserve will cut its main interest rate by at least 1.50 percentage points next year, according to data from CME Group. That’s double what the median Fed official is expecting.
"Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
-Warren Buffett.

Right now, Warren Buffett is fearful.
 

Ranking presidents over the past 8 decades by their final approval rating

#12. Richard Nixon
#11. Harry S. Truman
#10. Donald Trump
#9. George W. Bush
#8. Jimmy Carter
#7. Lyndon B. Johnson
#6. Gerald Ford
#5. George Bush
#4. Barack Obama
#3. Dwight D. Eisenhower
#2. Ronald Reagan
#1. William J. Clinton

From what I can tell Biden would rank #9. (or 10 I guess and then you move trump to 11 and Truman to 12 etc)

I still maintain that if the republicans put out anyone other than donald trump to run against biden then they will cruise to an easy win.
If the democrats put out anyone other than biden to run against trump then they will also cruise to an easy win.

So of course it will be trump vs biden which will be a bit of a toss up (I think biden wins again) because apparently both parties are incredibly stupid.
 
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If I had to make a guess based on recent polling, I'm thinking Biden will make an announcement on expanding student loan forgiveness. He is going to misuse taxpayer dollars to buy his way in to reelection.

Polling has been released that shows Biden's support among Gen Z has been falling. He still has majority support but it isn't as strong as it was last election. The leading reason: "43 percent of Gen Z voters saying he has not done enough to address student loans"

 
If I had to make a guess based on recent polling, I'm thinking Biden will make an announcement on expanding student loan forgiveness. He is going to misuse taxpayer dollars to buy his way in to reelection.

Polling has been released that shows Biden's support among Gen Z has been falling. He still has majority support but it isn't as strong as it was last election. The leading reason: "43 percent of Gen Z voters saying he has not done enough to address student loans"

Yeah we need Donald Trump back so that he can fix student loan debt, because that's what he'll do for sure.

I don't get how this works. In all the ways people who voted for Biden last time are disappointed in what he's done or how little he has accomplished, Trump wouldn't do any of that stuff explicitly. He's against doing that stuff. He's going to not just not do that stuff, he's going to do the opposite of that stuff.

Good reason to "primary" Biden, but we know that won't happen. The DNC is pretty good at getting their preferred candidate to the general in Presidential elections.

Still, I think once we get to the General and we're looking at Kim Jong Trump vs Old Man Biden enough people will make the sane choice and decide not to have an authoritarian dictatorship, even if they aren't enthusiastic about their pick.
 
If I had to make a guess based on recent polling, I'm thinking Biden will make an announcement on expanding student loan forgiveness. He is going to misuse taxpayer dollars to buy his way in to reelection.

Polling has been released that shows Biden's support among Gen Z has been falling. He still has majority support but it isn't as strong as it was last election. The leading reason: "43 percent of Gen Z voters saying he has not done enough to address student loans"

Doesn't really need to do that. Trump will trump his way to another loss by being trump. There are still enough sane people to vote against trump imo.
 
Biden isn’t my first choice but my wallet can’t afford not re-electing him. Have you seen the stock market? Seen the unemployment rate? Seen how salaries are skyrocketing? The economy is rocking! Why would I screw that up by electing the guy who wrecked the economy the last time he was president? Sorry, but my 401k and stock market investments matter!
 
I love freedom. That's why I can't vote for Trump.
For me it's way more simple. There is a certain level of douchebagness that I won't vote for. Quite a few candidates have crossed that level for me which is why I rarely vote.

Trump crosses that level to an unfathomable amount to the point that whoever the other douchebag is will ALWAYS get my vote. No one can out douchebag trump

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