The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[Al-O-Meter]

Democrats have offered a very good border deal in exchange for funding for Israel and Ukraine.

Really? Can you point me to a link where I can read the text of this deal?

The fact of the border is that Biden already has a larger budget than Trump had, and already has all the same powers to shut the border down that Trump had. Trump did a better job shutting down the border than did any administration in decades. The entire premise of needing more funding and needing more authority is false. The Democrats are trying to permanently enshrine illegal immigration by having Congress pass a bill that specifically limits what authorities can do if the flow of immigrants is below a threshold of 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 depending on the rumor. The Biden administration went to court to get the right to cut razor wire put up by Texas. The claims of wanting to secure the border if only the Republicans would allow it is Bizarro World BS meant for stupid people who believe anything they read on the internet.

There isn't a bipartisan deal sitting on Mike Johnson's desk. There isn't a deal, bipartisan or otherwise, sitting in the Senate. Even the motives you have wrong. You are spewing garbage.

 

[Red]

Well, the Senate has indeed been working on a bipartisan deal, McConnell continues to favor it, he clearly wants aid to Ukraine, as do other Republican senators:

“Underscoring just how damaging Trump’s comments and campaign to kill the border deal have been in the Senate, one GOP senator on condition of background told CNN that without Trump, this deal would have had overwhelming support within the conference.

“This proposal would have had almost unanimous Republican support if it weren’t for Donald Trump,” the Republican senator said”.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

So, although the Senate has not yet passed a bipartisan border deal(anybody else remember when politics was defined as “the art of compromise”?), Speaker Johnson, who is 100% Trump’s puppet, has said any Senate bill will be dead on arrival. Because Trump does not want to help with the border crisis at all. Trump is interested in Trump. Trump has zero, ZERO affection for the United States and its democratic institutions.
Who hates our nation more than Donald Trump? Putin? Maybe, but I can’t say for certain.

 

[Red]

It’s all on Trump and his Republican House boot lickers. I don’t know if Donald Trump will ever pull anything that would cause his rabid base to say “oh, we’ll wait a sec, that’s a bit much!”, but I hope future histories of our era correctly identify the man as the #1 domestic enemy in the US in the early 21st century, a true traitor, (who stood with immoral monster Putin in Helsinki, and agreed with him where attacks on our elections were concerned, shaming his fellow citizens by speaking out against his own country on foreign soil, something no president must ever do!); truly evil as well, who did his utmost to divide his countrymen, poison the body politic, pit American against fellow American. Ratchet up HATRED and ANGER among his followers, and, tried to steal an election to boot.. A true “divider in chief”. For someone like Putin, Trump really was the next best thing to a Manchurian candidate to some extent.

Trump, as long as he lives, will always be willing to sell his country down the drain. Always. Without a second thought, other than, of course, “what’s in this for me?”. And thats the first thought, not a second thought.

Supporters of Donald Trump should understand he hates the country you love. I regret likely not seeing that enshrined as universal consensus in my lifetime.

Senate nears bipartisan border deal that Trump calls 'disaster'

Fresh criticism Monday from former President Donald Trump and other GOP leaders is threatening to derail the border deal as negotiations near the end.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Well, the Senate has indeed been working on a bipartisan deal, McConnell continues to favor it, he clearly wants aid to Ukraine, as do other Republican senators

Yes, which is why the narrative is for stupid people. The Democrats have the majority and could pass a bill even with no Republican support, but as you yourself noted they have some Republican support. In this battle, Senate Republicans are irrelevant. That there is no bill in the Senate has nothing to do with Republicans.

Speaker Johnson, who is 100% Trump’s puppet, has said any Senate bill will be dead on arrival.

That is a lie and a misleading half truth. Speaker Johnson is not a Trump puppet as evidenced by Trump wanting a 'no' vote on the budget deal and Speaker Johnson crossing the aisle to get the budget deal passed. Your puppet allegation is a demonstrably untrue. The half truth is that you cut Speaker Mike Johnson's statement off mid-sentence to omit what he was actually saying. Speaker Mike Johnson's statement was that any Senate bill will be dead on arrival IF IT CONTAINS THE 3,000 - 5,000 LIMITATION TO PREVENT BORDER PATROL FROM CLOSING THE BORDER AS RUMORED.

Not only does Speaker Mike Johnson want a border deal, but the House actually passed it already. It is HR-2, and it passed the House. On this issue, the House is the only one to have done their job. Unlike The Thriller, I can actually send you a link to the text of the bill that passed the House. Voicing blame on House or Senate Republicans for this impasse is a dead give away for being uninformed.

 

[Bucknutz]

If you care about “securing the border” and not merely using it as a wedge issue to get Dump elected, you outta be furious with republicans. Democrats have offered a very good border deal in exchange for funding for Israel and Ukraine.

GOP Senator Reveals the Sick Truth About the Trump-MAGA Border Scam

It’s not just that a deal might help Biden. It’s that a compromise bill now could prevent Trump and Stephen Miller from doing a much harsher bill later.

newrepublic.com

If you care about these migrants, you Thriller, should be furious with the democrats. I mean only 40,000 migrants (8 days of the proposed “deal”) are starting to be kicked out on the street by the Democrats in Denver. 8 days of migrants need $100 million more in funding, this year, to help the democrats with their “unexpected influx” of migrants.

Maybe the LDS church should put up the money because they aren’t doing enough. Or maybe you Thriller, who has been boasting about how much better off you are since Biden has been in office; you could donate your extra wealth that you made over the last 3 years and fund 50 people for 1 year in Denver. I mean you are for sanctuary cities and not caps on incoming migrants.

A city of 710,000 struggles to cope with 40,000 migrant arrivals

Starting Feb. 5, Denver will start limiting the number of days migrants can stay in shelters and sending those who exceed their stay out onto the streets.

www.nbcnews.com

It’s only 8 days of migrants. Be compassionate Thriller.

 

[Deleted member 365]

If you care about these migrants, you Thriller, should be furious with the democrats. I mean only 40,000 migrants (8 days of the proposed “deal”) are starting to be kicked out on the street by the Democrats in Denver. 8 days of migrants need $100 million more in funding, this year, to help the democrats with their “unexpected influx” of migrants.

Maybe the LDS church should put up the money because they aren’t doing enough. Or maybe you Thriller, who has been boasting about how much better off you are since Biden has been in office; you could donate your extra wealth that you made over the last 3 years and fund 50 people for 1 year in Denver. I mean you are for sanctuary cities and not caps on incoming migrants.

A city of 710,000 struggles to cope with 40,000 migrant arrivals

Starting Feb. 5, Denver will start limiting the number of days migrants can stay in shelters and sending those who exceed their stay out onto the streets.

www.nbcnews.com

It’s only 8 days of migrants. Be compassionate Thriller.

Oh now you want to communicate? You never responded to our last debate. Yet you attack me again here? So why would I waste time writing a thoughtful response to your latest angry word vomit?

This last post seems to be yet another large collection of angry grievances from a variety of threads. So again, why would I waste much time with you? Where to even begin with this last post? Seems like you’re just wanting to bitch. Seek counseling dude. I’m sure your parent’s insurance or Medicaid can pay for it.

You’ve made it clear that you’re not interested in honest dialogue. Otherwise, you would’ve responded to my last reply to you. Instead, you brought up a whole new set of personal attacks and grievances. So I’m done with you. You’ve made it clear that every few weeks you want to just have a measuring contest. waste someone else’s time you partisan hack. There are other posters here who don’t mind wasting time with mindless trolls, like you.

It’s funny how I seem to attract the ire of so many drooling MAGA zombies on here. My guess is it’s because I cut to the heart of their insecurity, bad faith, and blind partisanship. I’m fine engaging with different views. I’m done wasting my time with stupid trolls. **** off

 

[Bucknutz]

Oh now you want to communicate? You never responded to our last debate. And this last post seems to be a large collection of angry grievances from a variety of threads. Where to even begin? Seek counseling dude. I’m sure your parent’s insurance or Medicaid can pay for it.

If you want to just have a measuring contest, waste someone else’s time you partisan hack.

Oh I’ll respond, when I get more than 30 mins of free time. (Owning a growing business, with 2 active kids in clubs sports, take up most of my time). I have already written a couple of parts of your long response, but don’t worry it will come.

This is the same debate; resources are not unlimited. This just shows how wrong you are with a sample of only 40k migrants in one city.

You can’t defend only democrats throwing migrants on the street, causing more homelessness. So you just use insults. Partisan I am not. If you actually read any of my posts you would know I’m for immigration at what is needed, I’m for pausing immigration, I’m for type of UBI, I’m for a more German style healthcare, I’m not for overturning Roe, I’m for death penalties and physician assisted death, I’m for more political parties, I’m a big fan of the electoral college, I hate traditional colleges and wish more degrees were earned in a trade school route, I’m for a government online college market place where teachers compete for students and can be paid for by states/federal government.
So if I’m partisan, what tribe do I fit in? Because I don’t feel like I’m accepted by either party.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Oh I’ll respond, when I get more than 30 mins of free time. (Owning a growing business, with 2 active kids in clubs sports, take up most of my time). I have already written a couple of parts of your long response, but don’t worry it will come.

This is the same debate; resources are not unlimited. This just shows how wrong you are with a sample of only 40k migrants in one city.

You can’t defend only democrats throwing migrants on the street, causing more homelessness. So you just use insults. Partisan I am not. If you actually read any of my posts you would know I’m for immigration at what is needed, I’m for pausing immigration, I’m for type of UBI, I’m for a more German style healthcare, I’m not for overturning Roe, I’m for death penalties and physician assisted death, I’m for more political parties, I’m a big fan of the electoral college, I hate traditional colleges and wish more degrees were earned in a trade school route, I’m for a government online college market place where teachers compete for students and can be paid for by states/federal government.
So if I’m partisan, what tribe do I fit in? Because I don’t feel like I’m accepted by either party.

Nope! You’re done! I already warned you about arguing in bad faith. I made it clear that your next response would tell me whether this conversation was going to continue and you failed.
https://jazzfanz.com/threads/the-biden-administration-and-all-things-politics.139831/post-2393896

No need for you to respond, save your time, enjoy your business and your family. I’ll never read any further responses from you.

**** off. Troll someone else. We are done. Seriously, **** off.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Yes, which is why the narrative is for stupid people. The Democrats have the majority and could pass a bill even with no Republican support, but as you yourself noted they have some Republican support. In this battle, Senate Republicans are irrelevant. That there is no bill in the Senate has nothing to do with Republicans.


That is a lie and a misleading half truth. Speaker Johnson is not a Trump puppet as evidenced by Trump wanting a 'no' vote on the budget deal and Speaker Johnson crossing the aisle to get the budget deal passed. Your puppet allegation is a demonstrably untrue. The half truth is that you cut Speaker Mike Johnson's statement off mid-sentence to omit what he was actually saying. Speaker Mike Johnson's statement was that any Senate bill will be dead on arrival IF IT CONTAINS THE 3,000 - 5,000 LIMITATION TO PREVENT BORDER PATROL FROM CLOSING THE BORDER AS RUMORED.

Not only does Speaker Mike Johnson want a border deal, but the House actually passed it already. It is HR-2, and it passed the House. On this issue, the House is the only one to have done their job. Unlike The Thriller, I can actually send you a link to the text of the bill that passed the House. Voicing blame on House or Senate Republicans for this impasse is a dead give away for being uninformed.

I think you’re ill informed here.

Biden delivered a bill in 2021.

Fact Sheet: President Biden Sends Immigration Bill to Congress as Part of His Commitment to Modernize our Immigration System | The White House

The U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 establishes a new system to responsibly manage and secure our border, keep our families and communities safe, and better

www.whitehouse.gov

The new Senate bill is bi-partisan. Republicans have been on Fox News saying as much.

Lankford cites 'election year' for waning GOP support on border bill: 'Not about letting 5000 people in a day' | Fox News

Sen. James Lankford pushes forward on border bill despite Republican concern of handing Biden election year win

www.foxnews.com

As Lankford says in the above Fox segment, the House GOP have once again moved the goalposts. Demanding that Ukraine/Israel funding be tied to border legislation. Senate does that, and the House balks at Trumps request.

Read more.


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[Deleted member 365]

I think you’re ill informed here.

Biden delivered a bill in 2021.

Fact Sheet: President Biden Sends Immigration Bill to Congress as Part of His Commitment to Modernize our Immigration System | The White House

The U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 establishes a new system to responsibly manage and secure our border, keep our families and communities safe, and better

www.whitehouse.gov

The new Senate bill is bi-partisan. Republicans have been on Fox News saying as much.

Lankford cites 'election year' for waning GOP support on border bill: 'Not about letting 5000 people in a day' | Fox News

Sen. James Lankford pushes forward on border bill despite Republican concern of handing Biden election year win

www.foxnews.com

As Lankford says in the above Fox segment, the House GOP have once again moved the goalposts. Demanding that Ukraine/Israel funding be tied to border legislation. Senate does that, and the House balks at Trumps request.

Read more.


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MAGA ill informed? What a shock

 

[Sardines]

MAGA ill informed? What a shock

It's a feature, not a bug.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I think you’re ill informed here.

Nope. I'm totally informed. There is no Senate bill. Anyone can say the bill is bipartisan or not about allowing 5,000 migrants a day through or that it was written by unicorns because the bill is imaginary. There is no Senate bill and you can't link to it because it doesn't exist.