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The case for keeping Conley, Gobert - and running it back!

The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Horford will make $26 million in 2023. He is 34 now and will be 38 by the time his current contract ends.
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Horford has only 2 fully guaranteed seasons remaining on his deal. He'll be 36 after those two seasons, after which the Jazz would have the option of paying him $26.5 million in 22-23 (after which he'll be 37) or buying him out for $14.5 million.
 
GVC said:
Horford has only 2 fully guaranteed seasons remaining on his deal. He'll be 36 after those two seasons, after which the Jazz would have the option of paying him $26.5 million in 22-23 (after which he'll be 37) or buying him out for $14.5 million.
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Tobias has basically 100M more on his deal but people still think Horfords contract is trash and Tobias is okay.

I think we’d all like a functional stretch big... the ones on the FA market ain’t that great... so at least Horford gives us a premium stretch big. It would all depend on the other stuff we got in the deal. They may be willing to wait things out and not sweeten the pot much. I had more confidence in a rip off trade for us before Morey steeped into their GM job.
 
The only case for running it back is the FO can't admit a mistake. How long did they run back Corbin when it was OBVIOUS it wasn't working? No way in hell they move Conley, at all. We will probably sign something with the MLE but that's about it. Get ready for another season of Conley and Niang, and another likely first round exit.
 
GVC said:
Horford has only 2 fully guaranteed seasons remaining on his deal. He'll be 36 after those two seasons, after which the Jazz would have the option of paying him $26.5 million in 22-23 (after which he'll be 37) or buying him out for $14.5 million.
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Ok, so pay grandpa for 2.5 years guaranteed instead of 3. Who wants to buy someone out of a contract at 36 going on 37 by the end of the season for $14.5 million?

Tobias is 6 years younger. SIX!!! 28 is prime by nba standards.

Tobias can defend the 2. He is a fluid, athletic 6'8", long, can shoot, and is the prototypical interchangeable body type in today's league.

Horford has averaged 12/13 ppg and 7 rebounds. Harris has averaged 20 ppg and 8 rebounds the last 4 years. Harris didn't have a bad year, he just doesn't fit the philadelphia-76ers. Horford had a down year and his stats are dropping.

Harris is spendy, yes. But if he is part of a fire sale, why take the 1936 chevy when you can have a 2028 Porsche when both net you other assets?
 
SteakNEggs said:
I stole this from some random sports or radio show but name one team who's bench was responsible for an NBA championship.
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Didn't the Lakers just win a championship without their starting point guard and with Alex Caruso stepping up into a key role?

Ditto the Raptors and Fred VanFleet. Benches matter.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Ok, so pay grandpa for 2.5 years guaranteed instead of 3. Who wants to buy someone out of a contract at 36 going on 37 by the end of the season for $14.5 million?

Tobias is 6 years younger. SIX!!! 28 is prime by nba standards.

Tobias can defend the 2. He is a fluid, athletic 6'8", long, can shoot, and is the prototypical interchangeable body type in today's league.

Horford has averaged 12/13 ppg and 7 rebounds. Harris has averaged 20 ppg and 8 rebounds the last 4 years. Harris didn't have a bad year, he just doesn't fit the philadelphia-76ers. Horford had a down year and his stats are dropping.

Harris is spendy, yes. But if he is part of a fire sale, why take the 1936 chevy when you can have a 2028 Porsche when both net you other assets?
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Is there another Tobias Harris in the league that I don’t know about? Because this does not fit the description. Specifically the defensive part. Tobias can guard mostly 4s and some bigger threes. Would get smoked by 2s. He is not a plus defender at all. His defense is similar to Bojan but he rebounds more. Not as good of a shooter and part of the reason Philly sucked is no one could create a shot. They were begging Tobias to be that guy and he wasn’t.

I like Harris and think he’d be better in our system but I’m not sure he’s an upgrade over Bojan. He makes like 160M over the next 4 years.
 
SteakNEggs said:
I stole this from some random sports or radio show but name one team who's bench was responsible for an NBA championship.
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That’s a short eyed view. Every time the starters got a lead it seemed the bench would always lose that big lead in the second quarter. I don’t think you need a great bench, but one that holds its own. At times our bench looked like the worst in the league
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Is there another Tobias Harris in the league that I don’t know about? Because this does not fit the description. Specifically the defensive part. Tobias can guard mostly 4s and some bigger threes. Would get smoked by 2s. He is not a plus defender at all. His defense is similar to Bojan but he rebounds more. Not as good of a shooter and part of the reason Philly sucked is no one could create a shot. They were begging Tobias to be that guy and he wasn’t.

I like Harris and think he’d be better in our system but I’m not sure he’s an upgrade over Bojan. He makes like 160M over the next 4 years.
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He is slightly better than bojan for sure. But not twice as good as his contract would otherwise state. The question is whether Harris fits better than Conley? He does. If you get Milton and a first to compensate for his overpay I don’t think you will find better compensation for how much we spent on Conley. In many other scenarios involving Conley we would be the ones giving up assets which we can’t cause we spent them all last year on Conley. I want the jazz to take the mulligan.


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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
He is slightly better than bojan for sure. But not twice as good as his contract would otherwise state. The question is whether Harris fits better than Conley? He does. If you get Milton and a first to compensate for his overpay I don’t think you will find better compensation for how much we spent on Conley. In many other scenarios involving Conley we would be the ones giving up assets which we can’t cause we spent them all last year on Conley. I want the jazz to take the mulligan.


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So why Milton? Thybulle and Milton are both 6’5” SGs which is perfect if we move Donovan to the 1, Milton has one heck of a 3 point shot 43% compared to a Thybulle’s 36%, but Thybulle is one heck of a defender.

Thybulle won defensive awards on defensive awards in college. They say he re-wrote the books in terms of awards. Anyways, Thybulle is also younger so if you think about getting him and Tobias, really you are paying $36 million for 2 starters which is much more palatable. If Thybulle was your low usage defense bull dog with don bojan and Tobias being your higher usage guys that seems like a perfect mix. Bojan and Tobias can both run the pick n roll as well, I believe Tobias’ stats in the pick n roll are quite good from what I’ve heard. Overall we’d have great length too. Thybulle, Bojan, and Harris at the 2-3 gives us height and assumed length to muck up passing lanes as well (something the Lakers were great at).

Anyways, regarding running the team back with Joe in the starting 5, Ingles is getting older guys. I love him but I’d just say we should expect him to slow down some more.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
That’s a short eyed view. Every time the starters got a lead it seemed the bench would always lose that big lead in the second quarter. I don’t think you need a great bench, but one that holds its own. At times our bench looked like the worst in the league
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Niang - 'nuff said.
 
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