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Dr. Jones said:
Not trying to engage (quite the opposite), but I'd be surprised if anyone could quote a single thing whereby I'm giving advice as some kind of elitist.

I have never, once, looked down on GF, ever. Never felt sorry for.. honestly no idea where that came from and no clue why I would think that. Guy has poker tourneys, brews his beer, and loves to cook.. doesn't get much better.

Does seem more of a self-perception than one of my own.
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Yeah man ****er's life sounds fantastic what the heck?


I post, therefore I am.
 
Gameface said:
I've said what I have to say on this and I'm not in it for the drama. (edit -- apparently I hadn't said all I had to say haha)

I don't "know" PKM. I've interacted with him on Jazzfanz and met him once in a setting where I was busy and there were a lot of other people around. I have nothing but positive feelings about that interaction.

I get that my response can easily be dismissed as insecurity or whatever else. Based on this thread that's probably how I would read it if I wasn't me.

But this idea that PKM has spoken to me with the respect that one speaks to an equal with. Uhm, no.

In particular, I was unemployed several years ago and my wife's car needed about $5000 in repairs. I was expressing, in a thread in the UGLI forum, how difficult the situation was and my limited options and asking for advice. Not advice from anyone in particular, just wondering if anyone there knew of a way to navigate the auto warranty process, or if there was anything else I could do.

PKM chimes in telling everyone how he knows so-and-so who is one of the biggest so-and-sos dealing with the brand of car in question and then turns it to me and basically chastises me for not seeking him out because it would have been just so ****ing easy for him to pick up the phone and snap his fingers and a problem like mine would be solved.

He follows that up with a lecture on my negative outlook and that if I'm acting like a looser then there's no reason to help me anyway because I'm just going to continue to be a loser.

I post a response in the thread humbly asking that if it isn't any trouble if he could contact his friend. I follow that with a PM explaining my situation in greater detail.

He tells me that he'll see what he can do.

Keep in mind at this point I'm having daily contact with the national warranty department for this car manufacturer going back and fourth on weather this will be covered or not.

I tell my wife that there's this guy, oh you remember him, he came to our house with his wife for that one poker tournament, and he knows so-and-so who does whatever and he might be able to persuade the warranty dept to cover the vehicle and we won't have to figure out how to come up with thousands of dollars we didn't have.

I wait several days.

I send another PM asking if he had had an opportunity to call his buddy, you guys know, the guy he proclaimed in public he was very good friends with who could easily fix issues like this and that PKM is a winner and doesn't have to get down about stuff like this because he thinks like a winner.

His response was that he couldn't really remember what it was I was dealing with, please remind him of the details.

I explain the situation again...

That's it. Nothing else was said about that again. I was able to negotiate for the warranty to cover half the expense as a good will gesture and I had to borrow the other half of the money from my sister.

Life went on. I also had a fundamentally different opinion of the guy who proclaimed loudly how easy problems like this were to fix when you're not a loser. I bet a lot of people who read that thread assumed PKM made a phone call and helped me out.

There's also the mutiple times people have brought up this stupid idea that PKM offered to start a brewery with me. No such actual offer was ever made. Suggestions, in public, that he could do such a thing, might be inclined to do such a thing, were made. I've never seriously pursued the notion of starting a brewery. None of these suggestions came from me. And I never once considered PKM's public statements to be sincere or meaningful.

At some point much later someone brought that up and PKM said something to the effect that he'd back such a thing so long as I never once doubted that I was the best brewer in the world and my beer was the greatest beer. But if for one second I doubted myself he'd be out. Uhh-huh. Eyerolls ensued from this side of my monitor. If I ever wanted to start a brewery PKM would not make my top-100 list of people I would want to work with in that process.

Besides that, if you read any of his statements, he was never offering to go into business with me. I'm pretty sure, at best, he was offering to give me a loan. As he has stated many times that he makes most of his money nowadays from loaning people start-up money. So, you know, despite the public statements that made things seem one way, there was never a sincere offer on the table. It was all show.

So yeah, the guy who has told me on multiple occasions that I'm a loser and I think like a loser and I doubt myself like a looser says in this thread that I'm awesome and he's never once looked down on me?

PKM is pretty good at PR. I'll give him that.
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Goddamn bro. Whew!


I post, therefore I am.
 
Gameface said:
I've said what I have to say on this and I'm not in it for the drama. (edit -- apparently I hadn't said all I had to say haha)

I don't "know" PKM. I've interacted with him on Jazzfanz and met him once in a setting where I was busy and there were a lot of other people around. I have nothing but positive feelings about that interaction.

I get that my response can easily be dismissed as insecurity or whatever else. Based on this thread that's probably how I would read it if I wasn't me.

But this idea that PKM has spoken to me with the respect that one speaks to an equal with. Uhm, no.

In particular, I was unemployed several years ago and my wife's car needed about $5000 in repairs. I was expressing, in a thread in the UGLI forum, how difficult the situation was and my limited options and asking for advice. Not advice from anyone in particular, just wondering if anyone there knew of a way to navigate the auto warranty process, or if there was anything else I could do.

PKM chimes in telling everyone how he knows so-and-so who is one of the biggest so-and-sos dealing with the brand of car in question and then turns it to me and basically chastises me for not seeking him out because it would have been just so ****ing easy for him to pick up the phone and snap his fingers and a problem like mine would be solved.

He follows that up with a lecture on my negative outlook and that if I'm acting like a looser then there's no reason to help me anyway because I'm just going to continue to be a loser.

I post a response in the thread humbly asking that if it isn't any trouble if he could contact his friend. I follow that with a PM explaining my situation in greater detail.

He tells me that he'll see what he can do.

Keep in mind at this point I'm having daily contact with the national warranty department for this car manufacturer going back and fourth on weather this will be covered or not.

I tell my wife that there's this guy, oh you remember him, he came to our house with his wife for that one poker tournament, and he knows so-and-so who does whatever and he might be able to persuade the warranty dept to cover the vehicle and we won't have to figure out how to come up with thousands of dollars we didn't have.

I wait several days.

I send another PM asking if he had had an opportunity to call his buddy, you guys know, the guy he proclaimed in public he was very good friends with who could easily fix issues like this and that PKM is a winner and doesn't have to get down about stuff like this because he thinks like a winner.

His response was that he couldn't really remember what it was I was dealing with, please remind him of the details.

I explain the situation again...

That's it. Nothing else was said about that again. I was able to negotiate for the warranty to cover half the expense as a good will gesture and I had to borrow the other half of the money from my sister.

Life went on. I also had a fundamentally different opinion of the guy who proclaimed loudly how easy problems like this were to fix when you're not a loser. I bet a lot of people who read that thread assumed PKM made a phone call and helped me out.

There's also the mutiple times people have brought up this stupid idea that PKM offered to start a brewery with me. No such actual offer was ever made. Suggestions, in public, that he could do such a thing, might be inclined to do such a thing, were made. I've never seriously pursued the notion of starting a brewery. None of these suggestions came from me. And I never once considered PKM's public statements to be sincere or meaningful.

At some point much later someone brought that up and PKM said something to the effect that he'd back such a thing so long as I never once doubted that I was the best brewer in the world and my beer was the greatest beer. But if for one second I doubted myself he'd be out. Uhh-huh. Eyerolls ensued from this side of my monitor. If I ever wanted to start a brewery PKM would not make my top-100 list of people I would want to work with in that process.

Besides that, if you read any of his statements, he was never offering to go into business with me. I'm pretty sure, at best, he was offering to give me a loan. As he has stated many times that he makes most of his money nowadays from loaning people start-up money. So, you know, despite the public statements that made things seem one way, there was never a sincere offer on the table. It was all show.

So yeah, the guy who has told me on multiple occasions that I'm a loser and I think like a loser and I doubt myself like a looser says in this thread that I'm awesome and he's never once looked down on me?

PKM is pretty good at PR. I'll give him that.
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Tony "PKM" Robbins
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
This is the post that made him mad at you

"Well I for one wouldn't have been trying to answer this thread sincerely if I had been forewarned you were going to have such a pushy, lame-assed defeatists outlook in the end"

Sent from my A0001 using JazzFanz mobile app
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I was not and I am not "mad" at Dr. Jones.

There was some carryover from another time Dr. Jones got butthurt because I said something critical of him. At that time he said he considered me a friend. I found that to be offensive.

Dr. Jones doesn't owe me jack ****. He doesn't even owe me respect.

When he posted that I was surprised. I went back and read my posts in that thread to try to understand why he felt like I was being pushy and why he interpreted it as a lame-assed defeatists outlook (aka loser mentality).

I'd like to read it again now that I'm not in what felt like at the time an overwhelming situation.

At this moment I'm as healthy and as happy as I've been in more than 10 years. At that moment I was at a low.

In 2006 I left the Navy after my father had killed himself and two months later my mother nearly killed herself.

In the aftermath of my father's suicide my mother and I had a falling out, which was painful because I had always been very close with my mother and I was having a difficult time dealing with my father's suicide.

Five years after my father died my mother was diagnosed with stage 5 cancer and given a few months to live. A few moths later, she died.

It affected my work and my personal life.

One day I left work for lunch and decided I didn't want to go back, ever.

I was unemployed for almost two years.

It was during that unemployment that my wife's car broke down.

Dr. Jones didn't need to offer any help. I would say he especially didn't need to publicly proclaim how easy it would be for him to help me if he had no intention of helping. But let's be super ****ing clear about one thing. He didn't owe me any help. I was not mad at him for not helping. But that encounter 100% took him out of friend status for me. The way he handled that is not the way I would ever handle a situation involving a friend.

So when he later stated that he considered me a friend I found that offensive.

That's not me being mad at him. This has nothing to do with being mad.

I know to publicly state that someone is NOT your friend makes it seem like I'm butthurt. But for me it was just a matter of clarification. I don't need someone who has not been my friend to make public statements about how he thought we were friends. That's phony, showy ********.

So in all this I'm the sensitive one and Dr. Jones is the cool one.

Whenever I have criticised Dr. Jones he's responded as he did here. In this thread he called me a miserable piece because I negged him wit this:

Thanks for letting us know. Hardly a dickish post at all.
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I know, I know, pretty brutal. And to hand him such a massive hit to his 95173 rep points. I'm a miserable piece for sure.

Dr. Jones has been the sensitive one. He's the one that seemingly can't handle a little very truthful criticism.

As I said, I'm as healthy and happy as I've been in a long time. As such I haven't been concerned with how I'm being perceived. Years ago I was on Jazzfanz always trying to be everyone's friend. Altering how I expressed my opinions because I worried that this person or that person might not like what I had to say. I don't feel that way now. I feel perfectly fine expressing how I feel without regard for how others will see me. If I think something is dumb I'll say so. If I think someone is being a dick I'll say so. If anyone likes me less for it that is fine. I'm not afraid of that.

I don't dislike Dr. Jones. Not even a little. I've just made it clear that I don't consider him a friend. I feel like my reasons for that are perfectly acceptable and I don't really need anyone else to validate my opinion.

I'm done with this thread.
 
Gameface said:
I was not and I am not "mad" at Dr. Jones.

There was some carryover from another time Dr. Jones got butthurt because I said something critical of him. At that time he said he considered me a friend. I found that to be offensive.

Dr. Jones doesn't owe me jack ****. He doesn't even owe me respect.

When he posted that I was surprised. I went back and read my posts in that thread to try to understand why he felt like I was being pushy and why he interpreted it as a lame-assed defeatists outlook (aka loser mentality).

I'd like to read it again now that I'm not in what felt like at the time an overwhelming situation.

At this moment I'm as healthy and as happy as I've been in more than 10 years. At that moment I was at a low.

In 2006 I left the Navy after my father had killed himself and two months later my mother nearly killed herself.

In the aftermath of my father's suicide my mother and I had a falling out, which was painful because I had always been very close with my mother and I was having a difficult time dealing with my father's suicide.

Five years after my father died my mother was diagnosed with stage 5 cancer and given a few months to live. A few moths later, she died.

It affected my work and my personal life.

One day I left work for lunch and decided I didn't want to go back, ever.

I was unemployed for almost two years.

It was during that unemployment that my wife's car broke down.

Dr. Jones didn't need to offer any help. I would say he especially didn't need to publicly proclaim how easy it would be for him to help me if he had no intention of helping. But let's be super ****ing clear about one thing. He didn't owe me any help. I was not mad at him for not helping. But that encounter 100% took him out of friend status for me. The way he handled that is not the way I would ever handle a situation involving a friend.

So when he later stated that he considered me a friend I found that offensive.

That's not me being mad at him. This has nothing to do with being mad.

I know to publicly state that someone is NOT your friend makes it seem like I'm butthurt. But for me it was just a matter of clarification. I don't need someone who has not been my friend to make public statements about how he thought we were friends. That's phony, showy ********.

So in all this I'm the sensitive one and Dr. Jones is the cool one.

Whenever I have criticised Dr. Jones he's responded as he did here. In this thread he called me a miserable piece because I negged him wit this:



I know, I know, pretty brutal. And to hand him such a massive hit to his 95173 rep points. I'm a miserable piece for sure.

Dr. Jones has been the sensitive one. He's the one that seemingly can't handle a little very truthful criticism.

As I said, I'm as healthy and happy as I've been in a long time. As such I haven't been concerned with how I'm being perceived. Years ago I was on Jazzfanz always trying to be everyone's friend. Altering how I expressed my opinions because I worried that this person or that person might not like what I had to say. I don't feel that way now. I feel perfectly fine expressing how I feel without regard for how others will see me. If I think something is dumb I'll say so. If I think someone is being a dick I'll say so. If anyone likes me less for it that is fine. I'm not afraid of that.

I don't dislike Dr. Jones. Not even a little. I've just made it clear that I don't consider him a friend. I feel like my reasons for that are perfectly acceptable and I don't really need anyone else to validate my opinion.

I'm done with this thread.
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endrant/?
 
JustTheTip said:
How exactly does one go unemployed for two years?
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Laziness
Ineptness
*****-whipped
Not listening to advice of clearly smart(er) people.
Wait a minute..

Brain damage
Non-caring
Religious damage
Sunburn
Big hat
Knee high socks
Skinny jeans (don't make me)
 
JustTheTip said:
How exactly does one go unemployed for two years?
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Not looking for a job because you have money to fall back on...for a while.

Like I said, I was at a low.

You might have missed the whole family history of people killing themselves. My father's younger brother killed himself around this time as well.

My sister has made several very serious suicide attempts that she was saved from because someone was int he right place at the right time, against the odds, to save her. She's much better now and has been for a long time. But I have a family history of depression and suicide.

For the record I have never made the slightest attempt at suicide. Only one in my immediate family who can say that. I'm also the only one who has never been on anti-depressants. The only one who has not undergone significant mental therapy.

But regardless, I was not happy. I was not healthy. I was not fit for employment.

I'm very sure depression is hard for people who have not been seriously depressed to understand. I'm sure it's easy to assume it's about having a defeatist attitude, being lazy, etc.

Whatever.

And once you've had a gap in employment you are almost immediately eliminated as a candidate for anything resembling a good position in any sort of professional field.

I eventually took a job as a security guard at a mall.

After that Fishonjazz gave me a referral to the place he works. I started there as a forklift driver. Within two months I moved from that position to the highest paid hourly position at that facility as an automated (robotic) equipment mechanic. I will be in Fishonjazz's debt for a long time. He gave me the opportunity I needed to change my life and be where I am now. I consider Fishonjazz a friend. And even if he said I wasn't his friend I wouldn't care. When he had an opportunity to help me he didn't make a public announcement of how awesome he was and how easily he could help me and then not do a damn thing. He helped me.
 
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