The Climate Change Thread

[fishonjazz]

It is your time. If you want to wear a mask then you do you. I'm not the type to tell you that you can't wear a mask, or can't sit in your car on break, or can't be allowed to breed without approval from the government's eugenics department.

Hey, we have something in common!
Now if you just didn't get triggered so easily....

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[Red]

You endorsed his thought with your up vote. LogGrad essentially said that humans have never created anything, no music, no art, no architecture, that we consume and destroy everything we touch. He sees all humans including my kid and the kids of Fish's coworkers as exclusively vile, as "a virus on the planet", and calls for all of them to be eliminated.

That is the thought you up voted. LogGrad was not saying the Earth wouldn't miss us.

I guess, maybe(?), this reflects the difference between me and you. I am a GOOD man. When I read LogGrad98’s comment, I did not see true hatred of humanity, I heard a GOOD man’s PAIN at feeling the way he did. I heard a man feeling broken hearted at the state of affairs as he sees it, and as it applies to the natural world. That is how I interpreted his statement. Sadness, great sadness, I saw PAIN, VOICED AS BITTER ANGER. It seemed obvious to me. And that is very human, I do understand it, I’ve lashed out in anger and frustration in similar fashion over various issues. It’s human. I have empathy with LogGrad98. And that is the man I CHOSE to see in his comments. I have EMPATHY! All that I saw in reading LogGrad98’s first comment in this thread. And, I don’t think I should even have to explain such a thing!

You, on the other hand, in typical fashion, look for ways you can interpret his statement and mine as the statement of truly terrible human beings. I am going to assume you too are a good man. But you are willing to be a miserable troll, and quote people dishonestly, so complete meaning is missing. You did that. You thought “aha, two disgusting human beings, and I will prove it!”.

You were wrong. And it’s not my fault that you only ever want to see the very worst in people. There is no reason for you to do that, but you seem so eager to define me as a hateful human being. But, now I finally realize it’s the troll in you doing that, so very eager….

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I have empathy with LogGrad98. And that is the man I CHOSE to see in his comments. I have EMPATHY!

That is great Red but when someone starts talking about eliminating humans as the good thing to do, what I'm thinking is 'Red Flag Laws'. That isn't the troll in me but the father of an elementary aged kid.

 

[LogGrad98]

I guess, maybe(?), this reflects the difference between me and you. I am a GOOD man. When I read LogGrad98’s comment, I did not see true hatred of humanity, I heard a GOOD man’s PAIN at feeling the way he did. I heard a man feeling broken hearted at the state of affairs as he sees it, and as it applies to the natural world. That is how I interpreted his statement. Sadness, great sadness, I saw PAIN, VOICED AS BITTER ANGER. It seemed obvious to me. And that is very human, I do understand it, I’ve lashed out in anger and frustration in similar fashion over various issues. It’s human. I have empathy with LogGrad98. And that is the man I CHOSE to see in his comments. I have EMPATHY! All that I saw in reading LogGrad98’s first comment in this thread. And, I don’t think I should even have to explain such a thing!

You, on the other hand, in typical fashion, look for ways you can interpret his statement and mine as the statement of truly terrible human beings. I am going to assume you too are a good man. But you are willing to be a miserable troll, and quote people dishonestly, so complete meaning is missing. You did that. You thought “aha, two disgusting human beings, and I will prove it!”.

You were wrong. And it’s not my fault that you only ever want to see the very worst in people. There is no reason for you to do that, but you seem so eager to define me as a hateful human being. But, now I finally realize it’s the troll in you doing that, so very eager….

Thanks Red. And yeah I finally saw the light and put him on ignore. He can spew all the **** he wants, I won't see it. He's a miserable human being who delights in hurting others. The lowest of the low. He can go in the first wave of euthanasia as we cleanse the earth of humans to save it.

 

[LogGrad98]

If you bother to check, you will find all sorts of self-habitat destruction by animals.

Rarely on a global scale. And rarely for anything other than survival or procreation. We do it on a global scale for entertainment. There is a difference.

 

[Red]

That is exactly what LogGrad wrote and he expanded on it to make sure his point wasn't missed.

You endorsed his thought with your up vote. LogGrad essentially said that humans have never created anything, no music, no art, no architecture, that we consume and destroy everything we touch. He sees all humans including my kid and the kids of Fish's coworkers as exclusively vile, as "a virus on the planet", and calls for all of them to be eliminated.

That is the thought you up voted. LogGrad was not saying the Earth wouldn't miss us.

And BTW, on at least one other prior occasion, and possibly two, but I clearly recall once prior, LogGrad98 expressed similar sentiments. It struck me at the time, I don’t know this person, but I had the exact same sense of things then, as this time. I recall thinking, “this person cares very strongly about this”, the very opposite of how you chose to respond, or so it seems as I think about it. I don’t give up all hope, because I have other beliefs in humanity that lift me up, but I get where all that may have been coming from, and so did my sympathy. There was never any reason for me to assume the worst of anyone because they’re obviously affected by what the world may be going through, seems to be going though, without strong signs that we are not going to avoid learning the hard way. That can breed despair in some of us. I don’t think you had to steer the discussion in this direction. It was not called for, frankly. Just to satisfy your need to, well, whatever needs you’re satisfying.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I’m all for implanting a chip in humans upon their birth that prevents them from being able to procreate.

It can only be removed if certain criteria are met. Certain education, employment, and/or judicial requirements.

Jokingly I'm for that, but not in reality. I think maybe 1 out of 10 parents do I think are decent parents.

Kids are good for the economy. 1 child policy in China was terrible for many reasons but it's hurting their economy and they realized it too late.

 

[Miggs]

Jokingly I'm for that, but not in reality. I think maybe 1 out of 10 parents do I think are decent parents.

Kids are good for the economy. 1 child policy in China was terrible for many reasons but it's hurting their economy and they realized it too late.

If we’ve gotten to the point where we do things for the good of the economy it’s probably already too late.


I get it. People need jobs. Income. The world has become increasingly expensive. But it wasn’t like this once. Not 100 years ago. Hell, not even 50 years ago. As a country and probably as a world, all principles and ethics went out the window.

 

[str8line]

If we’ve gotten to the point where we do things for the good of the economy it’s probably already too late.


I get it. People need jobs. Income. The world has become increasingly expensive. But it wasn’t like this once. Not 100 years ago. Hell, not even 50 years ago. As a country and probably as a world, all principles and ethics went out the window.

Unfettered greed has taken over as the pie increasingly becomes owned by the rich.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If we’ve gotten to the point where we do things for the good of the economy it’s probably already too late.


I get it. People need jobs. Income. The world has become increasingly expensive. But it wasn’t like this once. Not 100 years ago. Hell, not even 50 years ago. As a country and probably as a world, all principles and ethics went out the window.

Old man rant...

But yeah...

 

[Rubashov]

If we’ve gotten to the point where we do things for the good of the economy it’s probably already too late.


I get it. People need jobs. Income. The world has become increasingly expensive. But it wasn’t like this once. Not 100 years ago. Hell, not even 50 years ago. As a country and probably as a world, all principles and ethics went out the window.

I don't think for a second that ecologically sound practices are behind price increases, corporations claim they are as an excuse to profiteer. Its two fold really, there might be a 2 percent cost to embrace green practices which corporations don't want but they then pass those off at 10 to 15 percent premium for consumers and blame environmental requirements as a cover for their greed.

An aluminum can buy back scheme was recently announced here, funded by the state government, as soon as it came into force the cost of cans went up 4 to 5 dollars a carton. Despite the fact that costs to manufactures was basically non existent.

The two major supermarket chains that control between them about 80 percent of the grocery market here used the war in Ukraine and sanctions against Russia as an excuse to increase prices across the board on grocery items. Outside of vodka and caviar our direct trade with Russia as a country would be negligible at best, but prices spiked, a predicted increase in energy prices and disruption to the wheat trade were blamed. Funny that these costs were passed to consumers in the first few days of the conflict well ahead of any potential future cost increases would actually filter into the supply chain.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I get it. People need jobs. Income. The world has become increasingly expensive. But it wasn’t like this once. Not 100 years ago. Hell, not even 50 years ago. As a country and probably as a world, all principles and ethics went out the window.

Sorry Keefe, but you have no idea what you are talking about.