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The Current Finacial Situation 9/25/10

Ok, so we don't trade for Diaw. Do we gamble and hope we get a better deal come the deadline, when we're desperate to get closer to the LT threshold? I have a feeling Jazz fans are going to kick themselves we didn't get this done. At least with this dump we're getting someone serviceable (I know, even that's a stretch).

We could trade CJ and Price, that would get us closer, and make us worse. We could trade Millsap too! Memo's worthless this year, he's not going anywhere.

Or keep the current team and cripple the franchise. What's it going to be folks?
 
That's a bit of a stretch, but AK is an important player even if it's not clear how exactly.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm really enjoying having someone that put in the work and having an intellect superior to mine say what's been bouncing around my head about this whole thing.

But... I still have absolutely no understanding why we're not supposed to count Diaw's salary for next year. I haven't heard an argument for it that can't also be used for going to a place like Check City. AKA stupid as ****.
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Don't be so dense. Because we're talking about this year. What if he's traded before next season's salary kicks in? Who is to say that otherwise we wouldn't sign someone to that much (like resigning AK) once AK's contract expires? Its not relevant to the discussion of this year's savings. I don't know why you're acting like that is the hardest thing to get. I know you're still not going to get it even after this, but I just felt the need to say something to you.
 
It's not that Numberica. You can't consider future salary cause the Jazz maymake a trade and move Diaw. Then the trade is Ak for zilch which makes even more sense....right??? WRONG ppl. WRONG.
 
Lion's Roar said:
Actually Elson, Watson and Ross would only count for $854.389 each because the NBA veterans that sign for the minimum only count as two year veterans against the cap and the NBA reimburses the team for that amount or for the difference between that number and thei actual salary (can't remember wich).

The Jazz could sign Diaw, Ross, Fesenko (QO), Elson, Watson, Ryan Thompson and Jeremy Evans and still be some 800K bellow the LT for this year with the max 15 players under contract. Salary numbers from Shamsports.
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That's a good point. While that gives us more breathing room post-trade for the pay-out it actually ensures that we save another approx. $3 million less than Locke is advertising because it reduces the amount that we're presently over the tax.

One more reason that number is fantasy accounting.
 
The whole point is......
If the Jazz unload AK's contract after they've already paid out for 85 percent of it, just to save some money for one year.
They are pulling the typical Miller non-commitment to trying to win a championship.
The usual other teams get better, while we get weaker in wussy Diaw.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Ok, so we don't trade for Diaw. Do we gamble and hope we get a better deal come the deadline, when we're desperate to get closer to the LT threshold? I have a feeling Jazz fans are going to kick themselves we didn't get this done. At least with this dump we're getting someone serviceable (I know, even that's a stretch).

We could trade CJ and Price, that would get us closer, and make us worse. We could trade Millsap too! Memo's worthless this year, he's not going anywhere.

Or keep the current team and cripple the franchise. What's it going to be folks?
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Its not crippling at all if the Jazz make the Western Conference Finals. This team will be pretty damn good, imo.
 
While you can't structure a budget on an assumption of a deep playoff run, the difference between AK and Diaw in the playoffs is likely a playoff series in size. If not more.
 
Lion's Roar said:
Really? So let's see...

With Diaw:

8 players $68M in salary. 5 players to the min 13 and about $2.5M to spend on those 5 players to be bellow the $70.3M LT level for this year (used for simplification). That's about 500K per player.

With AK:

$58.8M for 7 players. 6 players to 13. about $11.5M to spend. Avg per player $1.9M. That leaves space for a couple of veterans and an actual draft pick.
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I think you're confusing the salary cap with the LT threshold. The Jazz can't simply spend up to the LT like you're suggesting. The CBA won't allow them to. Like I said, they have to sign league minimum guys next year regardless.
 
InGameStrategy said:
Yes, math does "****ing suck," because a $9 million salary next year isn't conveniently booted or mooted away as you suggest.

And what "move" do you suggest that the Jazz would make with the second year of Diaw's deal--a shimmy-shimmy? The macarena? If they traded it away, chances are that they would get near the same dollar amount in return, especially given that Diaw isn't a marquee player. ("Marquee" is French, btw. So is "Diaw")

Or are you suggesting that the Jazz would make a move if Diaw wasn't here? If it means dipping into LT territory, they'd likely avoid it, and they definitely wouldn't spend upwards of eight figures on a backup big, although they did for Memo, who should be a backup. So the second year of Diaw's deal can't just be handwaved away. Add back a minimum contract if you want--or an MLE deal at most--because it is arguable that Diaw would fill a required roster spot for next year.

So, using your numbers, with Fes, the floor is $16.5 - $9 million = $7.5 million.

Do you wanna apply a discounted cash flow model to it, too :roll:?

Silly debate in any case, because a floor of five million or six million is plenty for a small-market and/or only semi-contending team to pull the trigger.

Any funny money up to 18 or 20 is only Greg gravy.
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You're argument is fine as long as the Jazz don't add another impact player next year regardless of what happens with AK or Diaw this year. If they do, like just about everyone alive thinks they'll try their damnest to do with AK's bird rights, then you wouldn't count next year's salary in the figures. It's hard to play 82 games with a seven man roster plus a bunch of nobody's to fill up the bench.

And it's well over $2 on top of the $16.5 if you count the **edit**. That puts the savings at over $9.5 including Diaw's contract next year.
 
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