The Dark Knight Rises

[spycam1]

wes didnt see the movie twice yet, was gonna go but had some bussines to take care off

anywho with a complicated plot with "twist turns" people always seem to complain.
i withold judgemnt on it al until i see it 3-4 times.
for now i liked it, second i didnt notice that the movie takes place in about a 11-months- a year. not counting the scenes where alfred sees wayne/selina.

a friend of mine said in banes flashback storie they said something abut bane being born in darkness(eg the pit), so bane might be pure evil
but talias back story sais it proves she was actually the one born in the pit. so yeah that puts a plothole in banes origin. unless i had this discusion with a friend who also saw it only once
if bane wa spure evil why did he help thalia.
maybe bane was also born in the pit of darkness, meaning his mother was also there. so what if what happened to thalias mother also happened to bane. him being pure evil could relate to thalia and thats why he helped her out.
thjere are more discuscion like this i had about the movie some resolved some unresolved until watching a second/3rd viewing.

That also confused me about Bane's origin. Everything about his back story was apparently Talia...so what do we know about him?

 

[The Midnight]

I'm going to see it tonight WOOHOO!!!

I'll let you all know my thoughts tomorrow.

 

[Scat]

Apparent Rush Limbaugh believes that you brain dead people who have seen this movie will associate Bane with Romney's Bain and will then vote for Obama.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ck-on-romney/2012/07/17/gJQAbHY0rW_story.html

You do realize that the Obama campaign made this comparison before Limbaugh did?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/blo...-obama-camp-miscasts-batman-characters-romne/

Well here's a non-sensical comparison from Democrats for the Obama campaign to use. According to Paul Bedard at The Washington Examiner, the Obama campaign takes Batman's new enemy Bane, a pumped up venom gas breathing maniac, in the movie "The Dark Knight Rises" and compares him to presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, because of the Massachusetts GOP'ers previous work with the investment firm Bain Capital, which Obama and Democrats say was a job killer. Get it--Bane and Bain? Bedard writes:

"Bane" is the terrorist in the new movie who drives the caped crusader out of semi-retirement in the final Batman movie. Democrats, who believe they have Romney on the ropes over the president's assault on his leadership at Bain Capital, said the comparisons are too rich to ignore.
"It has been observed that movies can reflect the national mood," said Democratic advisor and former Clinton aide Christopher Lehane. "Whether it is spelled Bain and being put out by the Obama campaign or Bane and being out by Hollywood, the narratives are similar: a highly intelligent villain with offshore interests and a past both are seeking to cover up who had a powerful father and is set on pillaging society," he added.

 

[Stoked]

You do realize that the Obama campaign made this comparison before Limbaugh did?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/blo...-obama-camp-miscasts-batman-characters-romne/

We cannot let things like facts or reality affect our narrative so sit back, buckle your seat belt and be quiet. Thank you for flying Blind Partisan Airlines. Enjoy your flight.

 

[COJazz44]

Yes. It does surprise me. Otherwise I wouldn't be writing about it.

Have you seen a (comic book) movie so scrutinized?

I never saw anyone write that Dark Knight was the worst nolan had made. Sure, not everyone loved it. But I don't recall anyone on this board really writing anything critical about it. The debate wasn't whether it was good or bad but if it was good or great.

The debate was whether it was overhyped or not.

This movie thus far in the first 3 pages of the thread is described as "epic" "best of the trilogy" and as "worst made by Nolan" and "worst of the trilogy."

Did someone here walk into Ted thinking it was Batman or something?

People are spoiled with The Dark Knight. I just don't get it. Worst movie of the trilogy? Nolan's worst? Every movie has flaws, but some people are just ridiculous.

 

[COJazz44]

That also confused me about Bane's origin. Everything about his back story was apparently Talia...so what do we know about him?

Bane's origin was never explained. Basically the only thing we know is that was a prisoner in that "hellhole"

 

[spycam1]

People are spoiled with The Dark Knight. I just don't get it. Worst movie of the trilogy? Nolan's worst? Every movie has flaws, but some people are just ridiculous.

Saying you think it's someone's worst doesn't mean you think it's bad. I like all three Lord of the Rings movies, and if I picked one that was my least favorite that wouldn't mean I think it's bad, it would just mean I didn't like it as much as the other two. Same deal here. Not ridiculous at all.

Also, I'd say there are plenty of movies that could be argued to be flawless.

 

[DutchJazzer]

That also confused me about Bane's origin. Everything about his back story was apparently Talia...so what do we know about him?

we know he was born in the pit.

so why would he help thalia, because he could relate to her.

we dont know anything about the joker not knowing is fun right

 

[Deleted member 365]

You do realize that the Obama campaign made this comparison before Limbaugh did?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/blo...-obama-camp-miscasts-batman-characters-romne/

Oh please. A former Clinton aide taking a funny jab or two at Romney vs the Republican mouthpiece actually being serious. With Rush, EVERYTHING is a conspiracy against religion, the right, and Romney. Remember how that one girl was testifying before Congress because she had too much sex, needed more birth control, and Rush wanted to see her make a porno?

or how the ocean would "take care of its' own?"

Or how Obama was born in Kenya?

Death panels?

Sorry Scat, but your repubs have cried wolf one too many times to be taken seriously.

I'm still waitin for dem WMDs, for which your party took our country to war on. Still waiting for those trickle-down economics to kick in too. We've had 12 years of record tax levels and me and my fellow class has been disappearing... While the top has fattened their wallets (while hiding in Swiss Bank Accounts and bragging about how many jobs they've created (and then claiming that they weren't the CEO when they started to outsource jobs).

 

[spycam1]

we know he was born in the pit.

so why would he help thalia, because he could relate to her.

we dont know anything about the joker not knowing is fun right

It's different with different villains. The Joker not having a past works quite well (this idea was somewhat introduced in Alan Moore's The Killing Joke). But introducing the origin of Bane (as it is in the comics) then all the sudden saying "oh, that was actually Talia" was very out of the blue, and poorly done, imo.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

People are spoiled with The Dark Knight. I just don't get it. Worst movie of the trilogy? Nolan's worst? Every movie has flaws, but some people are just ridiculous.

Yes, it's his worst. And it's not even close, other than The Prestige which I think is slightly better and his no name flicks he did before Memento. So how is this ridiculous? Which movie is his worst if not this? This movie was rife with flaws. I listed 12 already and have a few more off the top of my head including perhaps the most important which spycam1 already detailed--Bane's backstory and MO, and if I didn't really detail it before, the overall direction of the movie. Nolan's films for me have always been very deliberately paced and have a sort of suave, sophisticated feel to them imo. This one was clunky and all over the place.

And while I am going to see it again today, seeing it a second time won't erase these flaws for me. They're not, oh I didn't like this or like that. These were just obvious gaping holes (for me I guess) in the script and direction of the movie. And Dutch, you're a pretty fair guy actually. But just so you know, I honestly have no problem with complicated or twists. I loved Inception and Vanilla Sky is one of my favorite movies. This movie was not complicated at all--there were simply some reveals late in the game. And for me, it was just all over the place. I have no idea what agreements were hashed out or contractually agreed to, but it felt so sloppy at points that I couldn't help but wonder whether they had to have this done for this summer, rather than next, because The Man of Steel is slated for 2013.

 

[spycam1]

Yes, it's his worst. And it's not even close, other than The Prestige which I think is slightly better and his no name flicks he did before Memento. So how is this ridiculous? Which movie is his worst if not this? This movie was rife with flaws. I listed 12 already and have a few more off the top of my head including perhaps the most important which spycam1 already detailed--Bane's backstory and MO, and if I didn't really detail it before, the overall direction of the movie. Nolan's films for me have always been very deliberately paced and have a sort of suave, sophisticated feel to them imo. This one was clunky and all over the place.

And while I am going to see it again today, seeing it a second time won't erase these flaws for me. They're not, oh I didn't like this or like that. These were just obvious gaping holes (for me I guess) in the script and direction of the movie. And Dutch, you're a pretty fair guy actually. But just so you know, I honestly have no problem with complicated or twists. I loved Inception and Vanilla Sky is one of my favorite movies. This movie was not complicated at all--there were simply some reveals late in the game. And for me, it was just all over the place. I have no idea what agreements were hashed out or contractually agreed to, but it felt so sloppy at points that I couldn't help but wonder whether they had to have this done for this summer, rather than next, because The Man of Steel is slated for 2013.

Most of the "twists" were either incredibly obvious that you could see coming from miles away, or they were just WTF moments (giving Talia Bane's origin).