The death of Amber Thurman

[olden_undercover]

Did Georgia hospital break federal law by failing to save Amber Thurman? Senator wants to know.

The Georgia hospital that failed to save Amber Thurman may have broken a federal law when doctors there waited 20 hours to perform a procedure criminalized by the state’s abortion ban, according to Sen. Ron Wyden, chair of the Senate Finance Committee. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor...

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Conservatives on this forum, what is your response to this? I'm curious how you find it acceptable that something like this can happen-- and has, and will again and again and again-- as a direct consequence of overturning Roe v. Wade.

I am so angry, and I'm rewriting this for the umpteenth time because I genuinely can't post what I want to post. So here's the nice version: That little boy not only lost a future sibling, but now doesn't have a mother after she was forced to suffer for more than 20 hours before dying in unbearable pain. What would you say if you were forced to explain to him why this happened? The truth? Here it is, in the likely event your justifications have clouded reality for you: Qualified and capable doctors turned their backs on her because Georgia's abortion ban put their licenses at stake. And you were told this would happen, so you don't get to act surprised, and you sure as hell don't get to feign empathy. You voted for this, and you're still voting for it. You are killing living, breathing people who have children and families, but you can't even see it through the foam bubbling out of your stupid mouths over Haitian immigrants. Is this the greatness you're trying to return us to as Americans? Well, I hope your version of God is pleased, and/or your sense of morality is satisfied, because for everybody else this is dystopian and insane.

 

[Douchebag K]

From how that report reads she had already taken a tablet to terminate and then the dead fetal tissue got infected ? So it wouldn’t have actually been an abortion, seems just nonsensical and wrong that they wouldn’t operate.

 

[LogGrad98]

I can tell you that after my wife posted this on Facebook the overwhelming response from conservatives was that it was fake news and propaganda from the left to entice people to believe that abortions are necessary with a fake story that never actually happened. No argument to be made when the other side just says "nuh-uh".

 

[str8line]

The party of hate doesn't care about your feelings. Or your freedoms. The Nazi MAGA party has come to roost and many good Americans are not speaking out against it. More and more are starting make their voices heard but it's not enough yet. I really hope the next month brings out more Republicans voicing their repudiation of MAGA before we go over the edge.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Conservatives on this forum, what is your response to this? I'm curious how you find it acceptable that something like this can happen-- and has, and will again and again and again-- as a direct consequence of overturning Roe v. Wade.

Amber Thurman did not lose her life because of Georgia’s LIFE act and the medical procedure that could have saved Amber’s life, had she gone to the hospital days earlier, is not illegal in Georgia. All of this is election narrative propaganda.

Amber Thurman took Mifepristone after 9 weeks of gestation. Prior to 2016, it was illegal everywhere in the US to take Mifepristone after 7 weeks of gestation because it does exactly what it did to Amber Thurman. It has a significant chance of causing life-threatening vaginal bleeding when taken after 7 weeks of gestation.

Mifepristone (Mifeprex): MedlinePlus Drug Information

Mifepristone (Mifeprex): learn about side effects, dosage, special precautions, and more on MedlinePlus

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Even worse was the clinic who gave Amber Thurman the Mifepristone told her to take Ibuprofen for the pain. A side effect of Ibuprofen is that it reduces the blood’s ability to clot.

Amber Thurman took Mifepristone to kill her twin children at a point in her gestation when it was unsafe to do so. Complications arose from her unsafe drug usage and she did not seek treatment but self-administered other drugs which made it worse, causing sepsis. It was not until the sepsis became so advanced that she lost consciousness at her house that she finally got to the hospital.

Although tempting to view this through the lens of karma, where a mother killed her twin children and they returned the favor after their deaths, the one bearing responsibility for Amber Thurman’s death is Amber Thurman. If she had not set about killing her children, if she had not used drugs recklessly, if she had sought timely treatment even in Georgia, she’d be alive. She is not alive and now campaigns are seeking to spin the tragedy into something for their personal advantage.

 

[LogGrad98]

Plain and simple, if abortion had been legal she could have had a procedure in a much more effective and timely manner. She'd still be alive today. I'm sure the pious right are thrilled she died. She probably deserved it or some such ********. Pro-life is meant for anyone other than actual living and breathing human beings.

 

[Political Jazz Fan]

Amber Thurman did not lose her life because of Georgia’s LIFE act and the medical procedure that could have saved Amber’s life, had she gone to the hospital days earlier, is not illegal in Georgia. All of this is election narrative propaganda.

Amber Thurman took Mifepristone after 9 weeks of gestation. Prior to 2016, it was illegal everywhere in the US to take Mifepristone after 7 weeks of gestation because it does exactly what it did to Amber Thurman. It has a significant chance of causing life-threatening vaginal bleeding when taken after 7 weeks of gestation.

Mifepristone (Mifeprex): MedlinePlus Drug Information

Mifepristone (Mifeprex): learn about side effects, dosage, special precautions, and more on MedlinePlus

medlineplus.gov

Even worse was the clinic who gave Amber Thurman the Mifepristone told her to take Ibuprofen for the pain. A side effect of Ibuprofen is that it reduces the blood’s ability to clot.

Amber Thurman took Mifepristone to kill her twin children at a point in her gestation when it was unsafe to do so. Complications arose from her unsafe drug usage and she did not seek treatment but self-administered other drugs which made it worse, causing sepsis. It was not until the sepsis became so advanced that she lost consciousness at her house that she finally got to the hospital.

Although tempting to view this through the lens of karma, where a mother killed her twin children and they returned the favor after their deaths, the one bearing responsibility for Amber Thurman’s death is Amber Thurman. If she had not set about killing her children, if she had not used drugs recklessly, if she had sought timely treatment even in Georgia, she’d be alive. She is not alive and now campaigns are seeking to spin the tragedy into something for their personal advantage.

Please read this reply ^^^

 

[olden_undercover]

Please read this reply ^^^

Oh, I read it alright. My favorite is the last paragraph-- what a delightfully calloused perspective.

Did you read this one?

Plain and simple, if abortion had been legal she could have had a procedure in a much more effective and timely manner. She'd still be alive today. I'm sure the pious right are thrilled she died. She probably deserved it or some such ********. Pro-life is meant for anyone other than actual living and breathing human beings.

You can call that speculative if you like, but Log's 100% right. You'll be seeing more of these cases than you were willing to imagine when you were scoffing at all those silly medical professionals and other qualified people screaming that this would absolutely happen. This thread really just proves one thing: You all cannot be wrong, and you will go to any lengths to dismiss and excuse all of the evidence in the world that you are wrong, in the name of upholding what boils down to dogma.

 

[olden_undercover]

Amber Thurman did not lose her life because of Georgia’s LIFE act and the medical procedure that could have saved Amber’s life, had she gone to the hospital days earlier, is not illegal in Georgia. All of this is election narrative propaganda.

Amber Thurman took Mifepristone after 9 weeks of gestation. Prior to 2016, it was illegal everywhere in the US to take Mifepristone after 7 weeks of gestation because it does exactly what it did to Amber Thurman. It has a significant chance of causing life-threatening vaginal bleeding when taken after 7 weeks of gestation.

Mifepristone (Mifeprex): MedlinePlus Drug Information

Mifepristone (Mifeprex): learn about side effects, dosage, special precautions, and more on MedlinePlus

medlineplus.gov

Even worse was the clinic who gave Amber Thurman the Mifepristone told her to take Ibuprofen for the pain. A side effect of Ibuprofen is that it reduces the blood’s ability to clot.

Amber Thurman took Mifepristone to kill her twin children at a point in her gestation when it was unsafe to do so. Complications arose from her unsafe drug usage and she did not seek treatment but self-administered other drugs which made it worse, causing sepsis. It was not until the sepsis became so advanced that she lost consciousness at her house that she finally got to the hospital.

Although tempting to view this through the lens of karma, where a mother killed her twin children and they returned the favor after their deaths, the one bearing responsibility for Amber Thurman’s death is Amber Thurman. If she had not set about killing her children, if she had not used drugs recklessly, if she had sought timely treatment even in Georgia, she’d be alive. She is not alive and now campaigns are seeking to spin the tragedy into something for their personal advantage.

Ah. So let me get this straight. Your answer to this question...

That little boy... doesn't have a mother after she was forced to suffer for more than 20 hours before dying in unbearable pain. What would you say if you were forced to explain to him why this happened?

...is that she did it to herself because she used drugs recklessly to murder his twin siblings? And she deserved it? Solid.

Dr. Al-O-Meter, Amber Thurman did not die because she took ibuprofen. She did not die because she took mifepristone at a point in her gestation when it was unsafe to do so. Her sepsis was not caused by "other drugs"-- it was caused by sitting in a hospital for 20 hours with no treatment while residual fetal tissue continued to rot inside her body. She realized something wasn't right, had gone to the hospital seeking care, and went septic while she was in the hospital (correction: she was diagnosed w/acute sepsis after several hours at the hospital, but had likely become septic prior to admission-- my bad). And then she died because everybody was afraid they'd lose their license and/or go to prison if they did what was needed to save her. You can offer medical opinions all day long, if you want, but you also have a demonstrated track record of going to great lengths to apologize on behalf of Conservative policy/position/decisions/hubris, so you'll forgive me if I say I receive your statements with skepticism.

This distortion-- "...the medical procedure that could have saved Amber’s life, had she gone to the hospital days earlier, is not illegal in Georgia."-- is disturbing because of what you're not saying and how the omission makes this sound like it's her fault. The procedure became illegal the moment she took abortion pills. And the Chinese finger trap of policy here is that she ended up taking the abortion pills because GA's LIFE Act wouldn't allow her to seek an abortion-- i.e. "the medical procedure"-- outside 6 weeks gestation, and the North Carolina clinic where she was scheduled to have it done offered the pills as an alternative because it was overwhelmed with other out-of-state women seeking procedural abortion care. Oh, and also-- small detail-- because performing the procedure at all in GA is a felony if the patient doesn't meet a very narrow set of qualifications, which she did not. You knew how difficult it is to legally qualify for this procedure, right? And that takes us full circle to her decision to seek abortion care in NC, and then why doctors later sat on their hands for 20 hours, completely castrated by the LIFE Act at that point from simply using sound medical judgement to offer life-saving care.

But if this explanation isn't hitting home for you-- and I assume it isn't-- I get it. It all comes down to whether or not she knew she was pregnant within 6 weeks gestation, and whether or not her pregnancy met the criteria for termination within that window, and you're claiming she could/should have been able to keep herself alive accordingly-- that women like her should either concede to pro-life and all it entails, or be prepared to navigate the post-Roe-v.-Wade labyrinth of (often religious) Conservative policy and risk suffering the fatal consequences. "She shouldn't have tried to kill her children" is your alpha and omega in this argument, and it seems we can expect any amount of cognitive distance to a) defend that absolutist stance and b) justify this most inhumane of outcomes.

By the way that whole karmic retribution bit was... I mean, it was so cynical, man. Just cruel. I believe the best in other people, but statements like that knock the wind out of me for a minute. Damn.

 

[Political Jazz Fan]

What about accountability? If she did not try the abortion, she wouldn't have died.

It is very cruel, for the babies that died.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

(correction: she was diagnosed w/acute sepsis after several hours at the hospital, but had likely become septic prior to admission-- my bad). [/I]

Kudos for owning it. Amber Thurman went into septic shock and fell unconscious at her apartment. It was then that her boyfriend called the ambulance. She was diagnosed with acute sepsis and, thanks to the ibuprofen, she had lost so much blood that pumping her with 5 liters of fluid didn’t bring her blood pressure up.

There is zero evidence that anyone at the hospital delayed anything for any fear of abortion law. Amber had killed her twins 5 days earlier. Amber wasn’t there for an abortion. A D&C to remove necrotic tissue is a minor and routine procedure which is not in any way illegal in Georgia. The problem was the ambulance had taken Amber Thurman to Piedmont Henry Hospital.











I did not filter for 1-star reviews. I looked at the reviews and went straight down the list.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/piedmont-henry-hospital-stockbridge-2

Maybe you don't believe Amber Thurman deserved to be dragged off to that hell after killing her twin children but that is how fate played out. The part I find hard to stomach are the ghouls attempting to use this horror show for their own advancement. Show me some smiling pictures and tell me who to vote for. Present some mostly made up details and push me to support legislative change. Claim to see a future where this mother would have been perfect if only I didn't have a problem with mothers killing their children. I feel like those who do this are playing with the corpses to put on a show.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ah. So let me get this straight. Your answer to this question...

...is that she did it to herself because she used drugs recklessly to murder his twin siblings? And she deserved it? Solid.

Dr. Al-O-Meter, Amber Thurman did not die because she took ibuprofen. She did not die because she took mifepristone at a point in her gestation when it was unsafe to do so. Her sepsis was not caused by "other drugs"-- it was caused by sitting in a hospital for 20 hours with no treatment while residual fetal tissue continued to rot inside her body. She realized something wasn't right, had gone to the hospital seeking care, and went septic while she was in the hospital (correction: she was diagnosed w/acute sepsis after several hours at the hospital, but had likely become septic prior to admission-- my bad). And then she died because everybody was afraid they'd lose their license and/or go to prison if they did what was needed to save her. You can offer medical opinions all day long, if you want, but you also have a demonstrated track record of going to great lengths to apologize on behalf of Conservative policy/position/decisions/hubris, so you'll forgive me if I say I receive your statements with skepticism.

This distortion-- "...the medical procedure that could have saved Amber’s life, had she gone to the hospital days earlier, is not illegal in Georgia."-- is disturbing because of what you're not saying and how the omission makes this sound like it's her fault. The procedure became illegal the moment she took abortion pills. And the Chinese finger trap of policy here is that she ended up taking the abortion pills because GA's LIFE Act wouldn't allow her to seek an abortion-- i.e. "the medical procedure"-- outside 6 weeks gestation, and the North Carolina clinic where she was scheduled to have it done offered the pills as an alternative because it was overwhelmed with other out-of-state women seeking procedural abortion care. Oh, and also-- small detail-- because performing the procedure at all in GA is a felony if the patient doesn't meet a very narrow set of qualifications, which she did not. You knew how difficult it is to legally qualify for this procedure, right? And that takes us full circle to her decision to seek abortion care in NC, and then why doctors later sat on their hands for 20 hours, completely castrated by the LIFE Act at that point from simply using sound medical judgement to offer life-saving care.

But if this explanation isn't hitting home for you-- and I assume it isn't-- I get it. It all comes down to whether or not she knew she was pregnant within 6 weeks gestation, and whether or not her pregnancy met the criteria for termination within that window, and you're claiming she could/should have been able to keep herself alive accordingly-- that women like her should either concede to pro-life and all it entails, or be prepared to navigate the post-Roe-v.-Wade labyrinth of (often religious) Conservative policy and risk suffering the fatal consequences. "She shouldn't have tried to kill her children" is your alpha and omega in this argument, and it seems we can expect any amount of cognitive distance to a) defend that absolutist stance and b) justify this most inhumane of outcomes.

By the way that whole karmic retribution bit was... I mean, it was so cynical, man. Just cruel. I believe the best in other people, but statements like that knock the wind out of me for a minute. Damn.

Don't worry, Al doesn't believe what he posts. He's a troll. Plain and simple.

 

[Nate505]

What about accountability? If she did not try the abortion, she wouldn't have died.

It is very cruel, for the babies that died.

Classy

 

[Rubashov]

Search youtube for this;​

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Stanhope on babies and abortion...​

I'd post it but people will definitely complain...

 

[The Thriller]

I think this country is in serious need of redefining what it means to be pro life vs anti choice. I am pro life. To me that means:

• Raising taxes on the rich and corporations so that we have an adequate social safety net so children don’t go hungry and families are supported.
• I believe immigrants should be treated with dignity and respect and given due process.
• I believe public schools should be well funded and that charters and ridiculous religion schools shouldn’t siphon tax funds away from public schools.
• I believe in moderate gun regulation and an assault weapons ban so that people aren’t killed needlessly. Idiots who supply mass shooters with weapons should be prosecuted.
• I believe that we should join the rest of the industrialized world with a single payer health care system so everyone receives health care.
• I believe in strong environmental regulation to preserve our quality of life.
• I believe in vaccine mandates, because vaccines are good and keeping us as disease free as possible serves society. Turn off your dumb Joe Rogan podcasts and read a non-fiction history book for a change.
• I don’t believe women and girls should have their health care determined by creepy rapists like Trump. Nor should they carry their rapists’ babies to term.

Being pro life should mean more than merely being against abortion.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think this country is in serious need of redefining what it means to be pro life vs anti choice. I am pro life. To me that means:

• Raising taxes on the rich and corporations so that we have an adequate social safety net so children don’t go hungry and families are supported.
• I believe immigrants should be treated with dignity and respect and given due process.
• I believe public schools should be well funded and that charters and ridiculous religion schools shouldn’t siphon tax funds away from public schools.
• I believe in moderate gun regulation and an assault weapons ban so that people aren’t killed needlessly. Idiots who supply mass shooters with weapons should be prosecuted.
• I believe that we should join the rest of the industrialized world with a single payer health care system so everyone receives health care.
• I believe in strong environmental regulation to preserve our quality of life.
• I believe in vaccine mandates, because vaccines are good and keeping us as disease free as possible serves society. Turn off your dumb Joe Rogan podcasts and read a non-fiction history book for a change.
• I don’t believe women and girls should have their health care determined by creepy rapists like Trump. Nor should they carry their rapists’ babies to term.

Being pro life should mean more than merely being against abortion.

I'm pro life too. And I'm anti abortion. And also pro choice.

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