The Debates

[Dr. Jones]

I'd think that, you two being the same person and all, you guys should be able to find more commonality.

 

[One Brow]

You also cannot simply post a 1000 page narrative on a website for Americans to NOT read but your competition to pick apart. These guys are not wingin it. Not Romney, not Obama, but to think they don't have a plan is absurd .. to think they can accurately and responsibly articulate their plan in a few minutes is equally absurd .. we Americans should demand change from within.

It takes less than a minute to name the top five areas from which they would save money. Also, supporters can read websites, as well, and use it to respond to critics.

I think it is a tactical error to give no specifics at all. What I see happening is the tax cuts beign put in, but all the proposed savings get whittled down, and the deficit ballons even more, if you don't make the whole thing a single package before the voters.

 

[Dr. Jones]

It takes less than a minute to name the top five areas from which they would save money. Also, supporters can read websites, as well, and use it to respond to critics.

I think it is a tactical error to give no specifics at all. What I see happening is the tax cuts beign put in, but all the proposed savings get whittled down, and the deficit ballons even more, if you don't make the whole thing a single package before the voters.

I'm beginning to believe that perhaps I have simply grown to be generally distrusting of the average American's desire to educate themselves on even the most critical of issues.
I am lacking in faith for my fellow Americans to be willing to invest anymore time than the soundbite. I envision fewer than 2 - 4% ever reading more than one page of ideas .. much less search out the accuracy/integrity of what they just read.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I obvioulsy don't think so. That's why I'd like to see politicians deliver a plan, specific to 'our' needs, having been fact-checked prior to issuance for reading, and then have the proper time to deliver the non-fluff message.

 

[franklin]

I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the utter disdain Joe Biden displayed for the Iraqi people. Between that and his angry McCain act I've been more turned off to the hubris stance he took last night.

 

[Stoked]

They have not been busted for "intentionally editing videos to mislead." Some right wing nutjob website, who themselves HAS been busted for intentionally editing videos to mislead, several times now, claims that MSNBC put a subtitle on an otherwise unedited video.

Stop the presses! MSNBC may have added a subtitle to video! Lol

They have been called out numerous times for various videos and stories. If you refuse to accept that then fine. Cool.

That does not change the fact that it is blantant and an obvious distortion of the truth and in some cases lies. I provided you two cases (there are others if you cared enough to look). If you want to piss and moan and spin away then God bless. All it does is make you sound like a guy trying to say Fox is "fair and balanced".

I lead a horse to water type scenario.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the utter disdain Joe Biden displayed for the Iraqi people. Between that and his angry McCain act I've been more turned off to the hubris stance he took last night.

I feel the same. The Libyan comments (laughter/it's all RR's fault) are worse, in retrospect, as well.

I still think Biden won, but based on politics more so than substance.

 

[Stoked]

I feel the same. The Libyan comments (laughter/it's all RR's fault) are worse, in retrospect, as well.

I still think Biden won, but based on politics more so than substance.

I think Biden and Ryan fired up the bases but that is about it. They each helped to fire up both bases. Go look at reports oh how each side percieved the way they acted.

 

[One Brow]

I'm beginning to believe that perhaps I have simply grown to be generally distrusting of the average American's desire to educate themselves on even the most critical of issues.

Welcome to my world.

 

[SaltyDawg]

They have been called out numerous times for various videos and stories. If you refuse to accept that then fine. Cool.

That does not change the fact that it is blantant and an obvious distortion of the truth and in some cases lies. I provided you two cases (there are others if you cared enough to look). If you want to piss and moan and spin away then God bless. All it does is make you sound like a guy trying to say Fox is "fair and balanced".

I lead a horse to water type scenario.

I only saw the one (already discredited website upset about the subtitle). And that one has no relevance to me at all. I have no problem with NSNBC adding a subtitle to an otherwise unedited video (and playing the audio with it).

What was the other one?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the utter disdain Joe Biden displayed for the Iraqi people. Between that and his angry McCain act I've been more turned off to the hubris stance he took last night.

I wanted Ryan to just stop talking--look at Biden dead in the eye and say...

"Joe, how do you see humor in Ambassadors getting killed by terrorists, the economy in a complete rut and the deficit blowing out of control. You may find it funny and laugh and smile--but I take this stuff pretty seriously--and so does my Partner Governor Romney and virtually everyone else in this country."

Condescension and arrogance aren't typically the cornerstones of developing a working relationship. Wouldn't surprise me to see this point made in the next few days by the Romney camp.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I wanted Ryan to just stop talking--look at Biden dead in the eye and say...

"Joe, how do you see humor in Ambassadors getting killed by terrorists, the economy in a complete rut and the deficit blowing out of control. You may find it funny and laugh and smile--but I take this stuff pretty seriously--and so does my Partner Governor Romney and virtually everyone else in this country."

Condescension and arrogance aren't typically the cornerstones of developing a working relationship. Wouldn't surprise me to see this point made in the next few days by the Romney camp.

He was smiling and laughing because Ryan was lying. It was the "malarkey" signal.

 

[Dr. Jones]

He was smiling and laughing because Ryan was lying. It was the "malarkey" signal.

Perhaps, but I still wish Ryan would have done what I outlined above. Maybe that's the approach Biden should have taken rather than finding such humor in it all.
Just swap Ryan and Biden's names into what I said and replace laughing with lying and it works beautifully. Don't ya think, ScaltyDoked?